Invisible Intersectional Identities & Taking Up Space with Chrysta Bairre, Founder of She Goes High

00:00.00

kitedart

Hello everyone, and welcome to this week's session of the Now & Center podcast. I'm so excited for my guest today. You know it's funny. I was thinking about this as we were getting set up and getting ready to go. So many of the guests that I've had on this podcast are people that I have met since the COVID shutdown happened, and we actually met way, well maybe not way before that, but I think it was probably like 2018 that we met and hadn't seen each other in quite some time. I've seen you on social media and you know occasional emails and things like that. But it was really fun that we got to reconnect this past summer.  I'm here today with Chrysta Bairre, the founder of She Goes High. Chrysta, I'm so happy to have you here and get to have a conversation with you today. Thank you.

00:46.34

Chrysta Bairre

I am really excited to be here, and I yeah, there are so many people I'm seeing now that I haven't seen for a couple of years because of the pandemic and it's, in some ways I feel sad sometimes that that I've lost touch with so many people but in other ways it's really fun.

01:02.64

kitedart

Yeah I I feel the same way and I definitely have some sadness but then also, I feel like I've made so many new connections because of the pandemic you know and kind of leaning into Zoom, which wasn't maybe my natural way to connect with people.

01:03.69

Chrysta Bairre

To reconnect.

01:20.54

kitedart

But I've had a ton of fun and even when we ran across each other. It must have been August or something but it was great to see you and so fun to have a conversation and. And ah, ah, even as we were getting ready to record it was like ok this could go on for 2 hours but we're going to make sure that it's not like the as long of a conversation as we could have um but it's always really rich to take it to talk with you. So.

01:51.47

Chrysta Bairre

Well, it's interesting to this idea of just running into people and I think this is something that we lost um during 2020 2021 is you know when we were more separate we weren't together in spaces interacting as casually. We were having very intentional conversations and connections with people which is not necessarily a bad thing but we were missing that magic of just running into someone that you hadn't seen for a while and then just being able to spark a spontaneous conversation. And have it be unplanned. So I am glad that we're having those.

02:28.52

kitedart

Um, absolutely I'm going to pause this real quick. Great I Yeah I Totally agree with that idea and and I guess it is like you're saying it's just kind of a different thing and but but that chance running into people and sort Of. Casualness I Guess of of those running into people and getting to visit and all of that it it definitely is nice I'm still not doing a lot of things out in the world. It feels like I still am doing so much of of all of my. Connecting online but it's been really fun when I've gotten to go out and do those things So um, with that I would love to have you share about your business. She goes hi tell us you know, just about the work you're doing the Difference. You're trying to make in the world.

04:26.90

Chrysta Bairre

I Would love to talk more about that and She Goes High is a passion project for me. It was one of those things that I created a community for women that was the kind of community that I had been desiring and looking for and just hadn't quite found.

04:36.65

kitedart

And.

04:43.82

Chrysta Bairre

I had found elements of what I was looking for in different professional associations networking groups and and other things. Um, but never fully a space that I felt like 100% belonged um or was was completely accepting and comfortable for me.

04:54.81

kitedart

Yeah.

05:01.10

Chrysta Bairre

And so I created it and I really didn't know how it was going to go I was like this resonates with me but I'm a person who's often felt a little out of place in the world and kind of like the weird one and so I don't know if this is going to resonate with others and it and it really did. But 1 of the core ideas that She Goes High was built on was around this idea that we were introvert friendly because as an introvert I've experienced so many times in the world that that so many spaces are designed with extroverted preferences in mind introverts are welcome ambiverts are welcome. But.

05:18.35

kitedart

Yes.

05:36.65

Chrysta Bairre

So many spaces are designed towards extroverted preferences and in fact, you even see a lot of articles that will give advice on introverts on how to be more extroverted right? Like there's just so much messaging around like the correct or appropriate or good way to be successful in business is to be more extroverted.

05:44.91

kitedart

Um, yeah.

05:54.71

Chrysta Bairre

And so you know as I would interact in different spaces as a business owner. It was a lot of efforting for me. That's that's a word that I've been using a lot lately efforting and there was just so much effort that I was putting Out. Um just to try to connect and interact and and I thought wouldn't it be nice to create a space that. Was designed with introverted preferences in mind. Extroverts are welcome. In fact, we can't keep the extroverts away I Like to say about She Goes High that we're for introverts by introverts the extroverts they just show up anyway like they're like there's people I'm there. Ah but that was a huge.

06:14.25

kitedart

A.

06:29.22

Chrysta Bairre

A huge huge piece of it for me was to make it introvert friendly and what's really fascinating for me is that a lot of the things that I did to make She Goes High introvert friendly um I didn't realize I was doing this at the time but I was also creating a space that was very neuro divergent friendly and then lo and behold I come to find out guess who's Neuro Divergent it's me i'm'm neuro divergent also and an introvert. Um, so that was one core aspect of She Goes High. That was really important to me was to create space for people who are a little bit different. Maybe who don't always feel like they belong in other spaces and there's just a really.

06:57.60

kitedart

And.

07:07.35

Chrysta Bairre

Small simple tweaks. We can make to events to organizations I think to be more friendly to people that that are a little bit different and that was a huge piece of it. Another piece of what I wanted to create where She Goes High was a space for women to practice taking up space. This. This idea of being a woman moving through the world. Um, as I have experienced it There's so many conflicting messages out there and messages telling us how to act how to think how to look how to be and move through the world and then it's so conflicting because at the same time we'll be told to be 1 thing. We'll be told but don't be too much of that thing right? This whole idea of the too muchness and so it's really hard to know how to take up space how to fully show up and in fact, in in the beginning of my business I I think it was in the first year of my business I I had a ah. Friend who is a business coach say to me Chrysta has it always been difficult for you to take up your space in the world and this question just floored me it just completely stopped me in my tracks because I realized when she asked me that that she was she was first of all, she was seeing me. She was seeing me on a very deep and personal level and then also that question has it always been difficult for you to take up your space in the world and I realized oh my gosh it is difficult for me to take up space in this world I do feel that that question resonates with me.

08:35.73

kitedart

Yes I love that kind of feeling a little scene over here myself. Ah, as you share that it's it's funny because I um I grew up in a family with 4 brothers and I was the only.

08:37.75

Chrysta Bairre

That experience resonates with me. Um that that fracturing of myself trying to be smaller than I am you know trying not to be noticed unless I've been given permission to be noticed or unless I'm being noticed in the quote unquote correct way or the right way. Um.

08:52.58

kitedart

Girl in the family and I'm also adopted and they're all biological and I like that that feeling of belonging with the feeling of not belonging the feeling of I need to not take up space I need to stay quiet like I carried that with me through most of my life like it's.

08:56.69

Chrysta Bairre

And I thought Wow What an interesting idea This is this idea of taking up our own space in the world and what would it look like to create a community for women where we really encouraged and supported and celebrated each other in all of the ways that we take up space in the world.

09:12.53

kitedart

Been a thing I've been unraveling in these past few years. So I I So understand what what you're saying and what you mean and I I think I Love how you were talking about that. You know you designed a space. That's what you want a group that's a community. That's what you would want and like.

09:15.87

Chrysta Bairre

Where we don't have to be performative where we don't have to pretend that we're something we're not where we can show up and be the beautiful bold brilliant people that we truly are and to know that our impact in the world.

09:31.74

kitedart

You're wondering is this going to land and it's like yeah and I I know that I've met some of the people in your community and I know that it lands for them and that lands for me as well. So thank you for for creating that space creating that community. They really appreciate that what you're doing.

09:33.17

Chrysta Bairre

And the difference that we can make is not dependent upon being something that we're not but being more of who we truly are.

10:23.26

Chrysta Bairre

Oh.

10:41.44

kitedart

There.

10:56.62

Chrysta Bairre

Yeah, and even for people who don't become part of our community who don't interact with it for whatever reason. Maybe it's regional or logistical or something even just having this conversation I feel is so important because I do think that there are so many of us out there that can relate to this idea. Of feeling like we don't quite fit In. Don't quite belong or we're not really sure what we're allowed what we're allowed to do what we're allowed to be um and we don't know what it looks like to step fully into just being ourselves and and letting that guide us. And and I think that's so important and we say a lot if She Goes High or I say a lot you know at our events that every person here every woman who walks into one of our events is inherently valuable and inherently worthy. And that value and that worth is not based on what we do for a living what our businesses. What our revenue is or any of those things every woman that I meet at any of our events is making a difference in the world. She is contributing in powerful ways. Whether those are you know.

11:58.85

kitedart

Yeah, oh so good. So good. So good I mean it's It's interesting because you know I'm a business coach now. But I've also done a lot of like leadership coaching and life coaching and things like that and I do feel like that message. It's so sad like we need.

12:10.78

Chrysta Bairre

Small at home in communities. Globally you know all of these different levels. But every woman is contributing in powerful powerful ways and that inherent value and worth is just inside each and every one of us and it is not about the most recent.

12:17.82

kitedart

That message so much. Um, that conditioning that we have of of not of where does our worth come from and and and I've seen it both with entrepreneurs and not right like with entrepreneurs. There's so much of it That's wrapped up in their business and like you said did I get the sale did my.

12:29.97

Chrysta Bairre

You know sale that we closed or the big win. We just had or you know did my social media post go viral or any of that stuff. It just exists within all of us and I think that's one of the key ideas too behind starting to get more comfortable taking up our spaces when we stop thinking.

12:36.60

kitedart

Did my social media post get noticed and get engagement. Did you know did this thing happen did that thing happen. Um, so I see it there but but I think it's also there for all of us in a lot of other ways too right? Did I get the job or did I get the recognition or.

12:46.49

Chrysta Bairre

That it has to be performative or be based on some kind of statistics that someone else can objectively evaluate or identify when it is like just because I am and my way of of adding value to the world may look very very different than someone else's um.

12:54.32

kitedart

Whatever those things are and and this this system that we have That's so overly focused on production has had us lose sight of our inherent worth and value and that we've been conditioned to see it as what we produce.

13:05.21

Chrysta Bairre

But that value is still there. Regardless.

13:14.23

kitedart

And ah so I just that resonates so much I Really appreciate all that you're saying um I'm I'm curious if you would be willing to share and and. This can be from the business side but it doesn't even have to be like because we've had previous conversations and and there's certain things we know, but just like sharing a little bit about your identities you already shared some right Neuro divergent introverted like but sharing some around your identities and how that maybe has. Further shaped your views on this issue.

14:04.59

kitedart

Yeah.

14:22.90

Chrysta Bairre

Um.

15:02.53

Chrysta Bairre

Yeah, absolutely and I would love to and and discovering and embracing fully all of my um identities has really been a lifelong process and I don't even know that I'm done yet right? like I think this is this is ongoing ah but. You know as as you brought up you know I I am an introvert I am neuro divergent and the neuro divergent angle is something I'm I'm discovering within the last year about myself and discovering what that means I am also queer and I am a woman and I grew up in pretty significant poverty so that.

15:29.12

kitedart

S.

15:38.31

Chrysta Bairre

Socioeconomic class factor has been really really relevant and huge in my life and it really has impacted so much of what I do and how I show up in the world and and particularly because of my intersectionally marginalized identities.

15:50.50

kitedart

Yes, so true. So true and and it's interesting because not only do we assume that we know I think a lot right? I mean collectively right? like there's there are a lot of assumptions made about how people identify.

15:56.61

Chrysta Bairre

Most of those identities for me are invisible. They can't be seen. You can't look at me now and know that I grew up poor. That's not something you can tell by looking at me, you can't tell by looking at me that I'm queer. You can't tell by looking at me that I'm Neuro divergent.

16:09.48

kitedart

I Also think there's this whole thing that like people feel entitled to know and do they are they like I mean you know and not not that not that I want people to feel like they need to go around hiding their identities.

16:15.37

Chrysta Bairre

And so I think that's been a particularly interesting layered and challenging aspect of exploring my own identities is the fact that they're not all seen um and and even gender I mean I think that.

16:26.65

kitedart

But also and and I and maybe maybe this is me just bringing my own lens as a multiracial person I've been asked my whole life. What are you and it's like what makes you like first of all like no.

16:32.76

Chrysta Bairre

We can assume that we can see someone's gender. But I also think that we're learning right now that that's not necessarily true I mean for me if you were to look at me I present very feminine. You would assume most people would assume that ah I am female and a woman and that would be a correct assumption. But you know I'm also.

16:43.38

kitedart

Second of all, it's like who whose business is it like is it your business. Do you have a right to know are you entitled to that information like I don't know I just I think that and and I know that you know you're making kind of a different point.

16:51.99

Chrysta Bairre

As I learn about my own intersectional identities I'm also learning like that I can't assume anything about anyone else's either.

17:00.75

kitedart

But I I think that ah to your point I think that we're getting a whole new world. A whole new lens around identity and how we're thinking about it myself included you know and I.

17:25.46

Chrysta Bairre

Ah, ah.

17:39.52

kitedart

Sure.

17:45.00

Chrysta Bairre

Ah.

18:22.77

Chrysta Bairre

Absolutely and I love I Love the points that you're making because it is really relevant. It's like is it someone else's right to know what my identities are and and really the reason people want to know that I believe what's underneath that is like.

18:25.65

kitedart

The the.

18:39.39

Chrysta Bairre

Ah, desire to understand each other and one of the ways that we do that is we classify or categorize. You know all kinds of data. Not just people right? All kinds of data and that helps us feel like we understand a little bit better, but it's true I mean I struggle with that at times having multiple invisible identities. Is this like how do I show up in this space. Um, sometimes I have very strong feelings of wanting people to know and wanting to self-identify particularly when it comes to something like Neuro divergence because I think people don't really understand what that is or what it looks like and because I have learned to mask.

19:02.25

kitedart

Um, my name and man.

19:18.74

Chrysta Bairre

My Neuro divergence from a very young age I was told that a lot of the ways that I interacted and behaved and and my learning styles and and the way I processed information you know I was told that's not correct. There was so much correction happening um from a very very young age.

19:28.19

kitedart

Um, yeah, right? And what and not only what would what would that look like for you individually. What would that look like collectively if that's what that's how everybody was seen and ah yes.

19:36.13

Chrysta Bairre

That what happens with many neurodiergent people is then we become we start to mask and and that masking really takes a toll. It takes a lot of efforting and it is is just incredibly exhausting over time and it is another way that we fracture ourselves is is to mask.

19:44.50

kitedart

So I'm like yes um I appreciate all of that and the the wanting people to know, not wanting them to know like I yeah I think all of that is so it just resonates so much with me as well and um and I think that 1 thing.

19:53.00

Chrysta Bairre

Our our natural behaviors and our natural patterns of in ways of thinking and being to make other people more comfortable and so sometimes it's something I want to claim really loudly and be like listen up everyone like I'm neurodiergent like I I was looking on Etsy at like pins that you know would indicate that I'm neuro divergent like i.

20:03.16

kitedart

I'm I'm kind of just what I'm appreciating about the conversation but I'm also appreciating about where we are in time is just that I think folks are having more awareness. Um I mean as far as seeing true justice.

20:12.84

Chrysta Bairre

So people would know so it's like sometimes I want people to know, but not always like I don't always want that to be the first thing that they know so it it is this uncomfortable space at times of being like I want people to know some of this information about me. But then sometimes I don't sometimes I just.

20:22.54

kitedart

I don't I Honestly don't believe that I'm going to see a truly just world in my lifetime and the space we're in where there's more awareness. There's more conversation I feel like there's at least this opportunity.

20:30.77

Chrysta Bairre

I Don't want to be seen for how I'm different sometimes I would just want to be seen for who I am and what what does that look like holy crap.

20:39.28

kitedart

And maybe this is more about the people that I choose to hang out with but just for conversation and being with the messiness of the whole thing and that we can have these conversations and we can be like yeah right now I feel this way and another time I'm I'm going to feel another way and that's all okay and I don't have it figured out but we're like. Processing through it figuring out what it means for us individually and then working to figure out what it means for us. Collectively Yeah, you know.

22:12.67

Chrysta Bairre

And it's not a straightforward or simple journey and and sometimes it's a painful and really uncomfortable journey. But it's an important one as well I think for each of us and so I I for one am glad that we're having more of these conversations.

22:13.81

kitedart

Yeah, totally totally. Yeah I I got that? Um, yeah, definitely not always comfortable but you know I've I've in my journey with it the more I lean into that discomfort. The more I can be comfortable with the discomfort if that makes any sense you know and and again I I Honestly like feel like I am so lucky in terms of are so fortunate in terms of the community that I have around me and who I get a talk to every day. So um.

22:31.23

Chrysta Bairre

And even when I find that I've overstepped and you know somehow stepped upon I'm going to use that word stepped upon someone else's one of their identities and like that's such an uncomfortable moment as well. Not just navigating my own but navigating other people's. But I still feel really grateful for having the conversations and being able to say like I truly do want to connect with you on a human-to-human level and I want to understand what that looks like for you and I know that it doesn't necessarily look like your experience doesn't necessarily look like mine.

22:50.21

kitedart

Lots of lots of props to all of the people in my world for being in that space. But yeah, definitely all of those things totally. So Let me ask this Then. Ah, so given all of that conversation around identity and and the complexities of it. Um, what could you share with us about how those identities have impacted your journey as an entrepreneur specifically.

23:06.13

Chrysta Bairre

Um, and I want to create that space for others as well as myself. Um, but the whole process of doing this is like super messy and uncomfortable and and sometimes painful and sometimes really joyful and empowering. So it's just like so much wrapped up in there.

24:07.12

Chrysta Bairre

And a heart of.

24:27.67

Chrysta Bairre

Yeah I mean first of all I want to say that when I was working in traditional jobs when I was traditionally employed. Um I had a really high burnout factor and. A lot of health issues and and just I really struggled in those environments I mean I excelled in the sense that I was a top performer consistently I was likely to be promoted and and get good raises and all those things because I could really produce very very well. Um, but my experience of navigating traditional employment was very very difficult for me and now I can look back and I can tie so much of that to the neuro divergence and and my learning style and my um style of functioning and being and like what makes me most comfortable. so so I think first off I want to just acknowledge that like one of the. The greatest gifts of being an entrepreneur for me is that I can work on my own terms I have the freedom to work on my own terms and that's not just about like what's my schedule but that's about how I work with people what kind of boundaries I can put in place around that who I work with I can create.

25:17.79

kitedart

Um, that.

25:30.85

kitedart

Um, notice for them.

25:34.64

Chrysta Bairre

An environment that really works for me I have sensory processing disorder for example and so I can create a physical work environment that is not overwhelming to my senses. And in a traditional job so much of the time you know you have to work in someone else's space and you don't get to decide what that space looks like you might be able to ask for a few accommodations here or there but it really can be challenging to do that even to know what to ask for. And so as an entrepreneur I've been impacted positively by being able to really create a working environment and a work style that that does work very well for me and so that's been a great thing. Um, but of course there's been challenges too because in in a lot of.

26:07.35

kitedart

And this.

26:22.67

Chrysta Bairre

Traditional networking events or traditional spaces that you might go to into traditional business spaces. Um, you know there still are some old ways of thinking that are very white male dominated type of structures and systems of. Is what it looks like to be successful in business and that's one of the reasons I'm so grateful for you know organizations like Kite + Dart and then what I'm creating with She Goes High right? is we're creating more and more spaces where we can say hey there's different ways to do business but you know it can be really challenging.

26:57.11

kitedart

Ah.

26:58.92

Chrysta Bairre

As a new business owner you're trying to get this business started. You're trying to connect and and show up. You know I'm ah I'm a public speaker and I do tons of speaking I speak on average 2 to 3 times a month and in the beginning of my business. Um I had a lot more crappy speaking engagements I got to tell you in rooms. Where I was honestly, not really, ah, all that accepted. Um necessarily and the things that I was saying and you know I had to to navigate that and as a person with these you know intersectional identities and these invisible intersectional identities. And and another example is early on in my business I was invited to speak in an event called this is my brave so. It's a it's a storytelling event about mental health and mental illness specifically people sharing stories of living with mental illness and so I was invited to speak at this event and my business coach at the time was like.

27:51.96

kitedart

Man and yes, the.

27:56.43

Chrysta Bairre

Do not get on stage as a newer business owner and say I have a mental illness. She said definitely do not do that you will lose credibility with your audience people won't want to work with you. Um, I mean it just right? She Really really stressed to me that this was not a good move for me to do um and you know I gave it some thought and I felt you know I don't this just feels really important and it has nothing to do with my business at the time you know it was like talking about mental illness has nothing to do with my business.

28:17.20

kitedart

Right.

28:33.48

Chrysta Bairre

My business of career coaching when we've talked about She Goes High and that came after I I became an entrepreneur as as a career coach was really how it started for me and so what does mental illness have to do with career coaching I mean on the surface nothing but I felt like this is just a really important topic and.

28:35.70

kitedart

Yeah.

28:48.94

Chrysta Bairre

And I want to be having these conversations and I want to be breaking stigma so I got up on stage at this is my brave Denver and I told my story of living with mental illness and nothing bad happened I just want to say ah there there is no negative impact in my business. But you know I was told that there would be and so you know that was really that was really a challenge to step into it like when I talk about taking up space like that was an example of me taking up my space in the world in a way that I was actively and directly being told not to do that. This would be basically ruin my business. It would be the end of my my business. If I were to get up on stage because because it's not even just this one event right? like this is out on on Youtube if you search for my name you can find my talk at this is my brave Denver talking about mental illness and so it's going to be out there forever and and and it didn't actually have that impact. But that's what I was told and so.

29:32.50

kitedart

Yes, definitely I Love that story. That's that's such a great story and I'm so glad that you that you took up space that you spoke up that you went and did that anyway and and I I mean ah, there's I feel like I I.

29:45.93

Chrysta Bairre

It was like that was that was a defining moment for me as a business owner of really being able to say like this is who I am and if someone chooses not to work with me because I live with mental illness that's fine. That's their choice but I don't think that this negatively impacts the work that I do with clients or they.

29:48.94

kitedart

I'm sure that the coach thought that she had your best interest in mind and as we're working to create a world that is different than the world that we've been living in like being being brave right? and and.

30:06.90

Chrysta Bairre

Ability my ability to serve them and in fact I think it enhances my ability to serve them. Um, but this isn't even about that like this is just me being real and sharing the story of this this human being Chrysta Bairre and

30:06.45

kitedart

Taking of space and sharing our stories and being vulnerable and that we we are all of the things all of the time at the same time and and then even just you know that there shouldn't be a stigma around mental health. You know. Like and taking that stand I think that that's um I think that's really fantastic and I'm like as you're telling it and just like sitting over here like yes, it's so good.

30:23.54

Chrysta Bairre

I am all of these things I am not separately I am not only in this space am I a person with mental illness and then only in this space over here. Am I an entrepreneur and then only in this space over here. Am I a queer person like I am all of these things All of the time.

30:39.89

kitedart

Um, yeah.

31:01.24

Chrysta Bairre

Of them.

31:30.28

Chrysta Bairre

Ah, her.

31:41.20

Chrysta Bairre

And I think you know that goes for all of the marginalized identities that I have there shouldn't be a stigma. There shouldn't be a stigma ideally in in a in a perfect world. There would not be a stigma around being neurodiergent. There would not be a stigma around being an introvert.

31:42.91

kitedart

Ah.

31:59.82

Chrysta Bairre

Would not be a stigma around being queer or being poor and I have to say of all of my ah marginalized identities the one that I think has been the most painful and the most difficult has actually been um, growing up in poverty. There is.

31:59.89

kitedart

Yeah, yeah, thanks for sharing that that that makes sense to me and and it's so insidious too right? Like how it happens right? because it's like.

32:18.48

Chrysta Bairre

A lot lot lot of systemic oppression and bias around what people's idea of poverty people who um are poor is and that has definitely been the the toughest one to navigate out of all of them.

32:18.69

kitedart

It's demonized and we're also like told it's our fault and it's like our systems are what's at fault right? like it's just um, it's. Yeah, it's fascinating and I'll I'll even say by the time this episode comes out this will be more public knowledge. But I um I know I shared with you. Um I've just accepted a job at Center For Community wealth building here in Denver and I've been doing all this reading that they've given me.

32:37.23

Chrysta Bairre

Um, because you know people love ah an underdog story and they love a rags To-ri story but but generally speaking people really like our our society hates poor people like hates loathes, despises, poor people and poverty.

32:53.40

kitedart

And as much as I thought I knew and understood around our systems and the way that that we've got structural racism and we've got structural classism and all of these things like it's you know and and I do know a lot and have known a lot but I'd like I'm learning even more and I think that.

32:55.42

Chrysta Bairre

And there is just so much demonizing I think that that um, that exists in in in ways that are more obvious and in ways that are really really subtle around um around poverty and what it means to be poor in this world.

33:12.25

kitedart

Yeah, what you're saying um, makes perfect sense to me I mean and I've I've I had my own journey as a youth sort of transversing different classes Shall we say so we definitely had some interesting experiences but not.

33:29.79

Chrysta Bairre

Her her.

33:32.23

kitedart

Not living in poverty most of my childhood. Um, so anyway, yeah I just I think that that that's fascinating and I'm wondering um I forgot what I'm wondering. I had a question in there when you were talking and then I was listening sorry Karen Karen is my um podcast editor poor thing I'm like what do I want to say here. Um I totally had a question in there.

34:10.49

kitedart

Yeah I don't know I don't know that there's anything else I forgot what it was um so I I appreciate like I do want to pull out and and appreciate that. Um.

34:27.16

kitedart

That as you were sharing about how your different identities have impacted it right that that there are these certain ways where it's made being an entrepreneur your your entrepreneurial journey more difficult but also like celebrating that as you said you do have that opportunity to.

34:32.75

Chrysta Bairre

Ever.

34:45.43

kitedart

Do things in your own way and and embrace your Neuro divergence Embrace being an introvert these different pieces and make it work for you I've worked with quite a few folks who are Neuro divergent and um, it it like.

34:57.59

Chrysta Bairre

She says.

35:04.75

kitedart

There's so much conditioning around how we're supposed to do all the things like you said and so it can be hard even when people know sorry even when people know this doesn't work for me to like be able to figure out the way that does work and I'm really glad that. It sounds like you've been on that journey and really and you know figuring those ways out along the way that's exciting.

35:48.11

Chrysta Bairre

Now.

36:14.00

Chrysta Bairre

Inside life.

36:35.30

Chrysta Bairre

And I think I think I've spent a lot of my life figuring out the ways that do work for me and fighting for that you know even when I was traditionally employed I Just didn't understand the context of it fully but trying to do that to the best of my ability and you know it's interesting because I wrote.

36:38.66

kitedart

And then.

36:52.98

Chrysta Bairre

A book called beautiful Badass How to believe in yourself against the odds and so much of my inspiration for that book was to write my story or at least part share parts of my story and to encourage people to find ways that work for them and to say what works for someone else. Isn't necessarily going to work for you and that's been so much of my life experience has been. You know what worked for somebody else's someone when I was in high school and I went to a very affluent high school I'm not sure how this happened because my family was extremely poor. But. But somehow the boundaries just worked out in the way that they did that um I was one of hardly any poor kids that went to the school and so you know there was a lot of advice that we were being given and and a lot of guidance that we were being given that just literally was not ever going to work for me. It was not applicable to me.

37:33.90

kitedart

And.

37:47.94

Chrysta Bairre

Um, it was applicable to my peers but it was not applicable to me and and a huge part of my journey and overcoming poverty and overcoming a lot of the challenges that that I've experienced has been to recognize oh that path to Success. That's not my path. That's someone else's path. And that is not I'm not going to be able to do it in the way that they do it and so I've been very aware of that for a lot of my life and how I've gotten to where I am is by really embracing.

38:17.88

kitedart

And her.

38:21.26

Chrysta Bairre

What will work for me because that's the only thing I can do. That's the only thing I have any real influence over is is what I can do and and I have to acknowledge I have to have moments of of being able to say like listen to to a teacher to a guidance counselor to whoever to a business coach and say like. Listen I understand that for most people this is the path but that's not going to work for me and so I have to find the way that does and so that's so much what I wrote about in beautiful badass. How to believe in yourself against the odds was to first of all acknowledge that we're all different and acknowledge that. Systemic barriers matter and they do impact success and they do impact our path to creating happy and fulfilled lives and so you know so many of the the thought leaders and authors and speakers that are out there so many of the people that we might look up to and admire you know without realizing it. I have observed that many people are sharing advice from the perspective of their own privilege and they don't realize that that's happening and so they're so they're making these statements or they're giving this advice. Um, as if these are universal truths and it's like these are not universal truths at all. Um, that's not the way it's going to work for everyone and. And so but that doesn't make people wrong. So there was this study it was in it was a 2017 I believe study in this I think it was parent magazine and it was about the study that was done on motivation and what really motivates behavior and so it was done with these these inner city.

39:56.39

Chrysta Bairre

Ah, school kids and what they found in the study is that when they gave these students these inspirational messages of like you can you can achieve anything you set your mind to all you have to do is like want it and take the action and you can achieve anything you want and so they thought that this was going to be really motivating.

40:04.88

kitedart

Right.

40:15.77

Chrysta Bairre

For all of the students and that it would improve performance and improve grades and all of these things but what they actually found was that the students who had less privilege started suddenly performing much worse than they had been performing before they started missing class as skipping school. And so the researchers were like this is really interesting. Why is this happening and so when they went back and revisited with these students whose performance dropped what they found is that these students didn't conceptualize or understand that that message really fell short for them because.

40:42.00

kitedart

Yeah.

40:48.82

Chrysta Bairre

What it was going to look like for them to be successful is way more than just having the right attitude and hard work.. There was a lot of systemic barriers in place for some of these students and those systemic barriers are not going to go away and they cannot be ignored which doesn't mean that an individual student still can't achieve amazing things but it just means like it's going to be. Different for them and probably harder. But what happened with these students is they didn't recognize this. They didn't recognize the systemic barriers in place they felt like they internalized this message of like you can do anything you set your mind to and when they were not getting the results. They felt that it was because there was something wrong with them. They felt individually and personally flawed because they were being told you can do anything you want to do and they bought into that idea and then when they struggled or stumbled or failed. They thought it is because.

41:41.40

kitedart

Yeah.

41:45.71

Chrysta Bairre

I am a failure I As a human being am a failure right? like I'm paraphrasing some of the study but like when I read this study. It blew my mind because I thought of how many times that had been true for me and I had to overcome that idea and recognize and step outside get a little perspective and say hey. The reason that I can't do this thing that my more privileged peer can do is not because I'm unworthy because I'm a failure because I suck. It's none of those things. It's because guess what there's all these barriers in my way and so you know my path to success is going to look.

42:05.71

kitedart

Yeah, so good. So good. Such great stuff. Thank you for sharing that I'd love to it feels I'm kind of like like I want to shift gears but then I'm also like. Was just so like important. So I want that point to land. But um, I'd love to switch into a coaching conversation and look at something that you're grappling with today and and talk about that a little bit.

42:24.81

Chrysta Bairre

Like more than attitude and action. There's other things that are going to need to happen. There's going to be other hardships that need to be addressed or other challenges that need to be overcome first and and so I was so inspired by this study and that was a huge inspiration for reading the book that I wrote because I really wanted to speak to people and say. You know, hey if you're struggling if you have failed. It's not necessarily because you are a failure You're not a failure and especially if you're someone who who does experience systemic barriers of whatever those kinds are whatever that looks like um you know then. That is important that matters and you might still be able to do incredible things and I believe that you can but it might be a different path or those incredible things might look different than than what they are for someone else.

43:48.81

Chrysta Bairre

Yeah, thank you and so you know I I talk about these topics this this idea of invisible intersectional identities in particular the invisibleness invisibleness is is like a nuance that I don't really hear that conversation happening is often. Um. And the unique challenges associated with that. So. It's like I live this every day and I talk about it every day and you might say oh Chrysta you're like an expert in this topic or you're even a thought leader in this topic and I got to tell you my lived experience of being a person with multiple invisible intersectional identities. Like a lot of the time I know what I'm doing but also feel like I don't know what I'm doing um you know even having these conversations feels like it feels terrifying at times and scary because you know I I feel like I don't hear these conversations being. Being had anywhere and so I there's no there's no roadmap there's no path to follow and so I think for my coaching today you know I'd really love to hear some insights just maybe from what I've shared or what you've personally experienced um or whatever that looks like like what is it.

44:45.21

kitedart

And then.

45:01.32

Chrysta Bairre

Really look like to navigate whether they're invisible or visible intersectional identities as an entrepreneur and just keep going forward because because talking about these things even though I like you I surround myself with a lot of people who.

45:09.35

kitedart

Um, yeah, boy it's it's kind of interesting because first of all I'll I'll just call out right that that I don't feel like I have your answers right? Even just like how you're saying with this whole idea of um.

45:19.20

Chrysta Bairre

Who are very open and compassionate and forward thinking about this stuff but talking openly about these things it does mean that I am often criticized um that that I am.

45:25.60

kitedart

Just you know work hard and you can succeed and you can be anything you want to be or do anything you want to do just take the action. You know it's It's every one of our experiences is different and unique and so I don't really propose.

45:32.38

Chrysta Bairre

Putting myself out there in such a way that I am opening myself up to criticism and and sometimes that's really really tough. So what does that look like to navigate as someone who's talking about things that are maybe uncomfortable or the people aren't really talking about especially from a personal lived experience and.

45:42.87

kitedart

That I have anybody's answers and you know I think some of the things that just came up as you are sharing that is around a few things like 1 is I hear.

45:47.44

Chrysta Bairre

And I don't know if you've ever had this happen Karen but I absolutely have had people tell me that my personal lived experience is incorrect and I've had this happen a lot even in social justice spaces or or around social justice conversations I've had a lot of people's like you know, basically a lot of backlash and people you know, telling me.

46:00.59

kitedart

The like kind of the idea of like I I I don't have the answers kind of you know what? I mean that's not literally what you said it was way more nuanced than that but kind of this idea of I don't have the answers I don't.

46:06.44

Chrysta Bairre

Your lived experience is wrong and the only lived experience that matters in this conversation or that's appropriate to talk about in this conversation is this So so anything you have to offer me around that I would love to receive it.

46:16.59

kitedart

I Don't know that I'm the expert in this. But I think that so often it's important in this work that we don't have to have the answers we have to be willing to be in the conversation and be seeking right? because we're. We're creating something that doesn't exist yet and so it's like that leaning into the world that we want when it's not there and like acting as if kind of right so part of it is about that there it it is uncomfortable right? it. I Also hear that there's more than it's It's more than just discomfort right? that there's actual um, that that there can be actual like consequences more than discomfort of being the one to speak up. So I think. That. You know what? I What I really want to do is I mean I've I've got thoughts but I don't think I have your answer for this I mean what I think I'd like to ask is based on based on your experience with these. You've obviously thought a lot about it.

47:33.78

kitedart

You've been on a journey for a long time. You're also a coach and you lead people like how what would you say to you? How would you guide yourself through this question.

47:55.70

Chrysta Bairre

The.

48:12.58

Chrysta Bairre

1 yes.

48:57.80

Chrysta Bairre

Um, I mean what I do for myself is I acknowledge the discomfort and and I just keep moving forward in what feels like it's right for me to say. Ah, the conversation. The truths that I speak to know that that whatever someone else's opinion of my lived experience that my lived experience is correct for me and I say that at speaking engagements a lot I kind of put that disclaimer in there whenever I'm sharing a story or a teaching point I like to say.

49:31.10

kitedart

Nice one.

49:31.27

Chrysta Bairre

If you've experienced this differently. Your experience is correct for you. You know? and so there's this level that I know that's true. Um, and there are real consequences I think to being someone who is having a lot of these conversations and speaking up about things that.

49:40.66

kitedart

And you.

49:49.96

Chrysta Bairre

People aren't always comfortable with and yeah, there are some very very real consequences and so like how I have handled this so far for myself has been to just check in with myself and you know. Ask why? Why was it important for me to share that is that something that's important for me to continue to share and continue to talk about and most of the time my answer is yes and so I keep doing it even though I know that there probably will be at least some very real consequences. Um, as a result of speaking some of these things and.

50:07.54

kitedart

Yeah.

50:27.33

Chrysta Bairre

It's just I guess I Just accept that those consequences exist and accept that that's part of of doing any kind of world-changing work. You know, changing people's minds changing people's thoughts changing people's ideas is. Is to just do it even though you know that you're going to be criticized, but it's still painful right? And so um, it is painful at times and I and I have to to consistently check in and balance.

51:00.69

Chrysta Bairre

And and sort of start to choose my battles I Guess that's something I have coached myself through is like choose my battles like yes these topics are important but I don't necessarily have to jump into every conversation that exists around these topics and be like here's my lived experience around that. Um you know.

51:06.39

kitedart

Um, right.

51:18.78

Chrysta Bairre

And and picking and choosing I actually had a very interesting interaction on Linkedin. Ah last year where I speak regularly on imposter syndrome and I've been researching and studying and speaking on this topic for over five years I've had hundreds of conversations with people about imposter syndrome and so I saw this. This conversation happening on Linkedin about imposter syndrome and I I shared my experience with it. Not just from my own personal lived experience but also from all these conversations that I've had with people and I got very very quickly called out. Um that I didn't know what I was talking about because I had not. Studied the topic of imposter syndrome through the lens of um disability of you know lg b two q of ah like basically this person named off like 5 intersectional identities that I actually do have myself personally.

52:15.19

Chrysta Bairre

And they were like well your your diverse perspective doesn't doesn't count because you haven't studied this topic through these lenses and I said actually interesting that you chose those particular lenses because I have actually studied it through those lenses and those are that that is my lived experience. Um.

52:34.53

Chrysta Bairre

But and but then the person came back to me and said well none of that really matters because at the end of the day you're still white and and then a bunch of other people mostly white women were from what appeared to be white women from their profile pictures came in I mean like many dozens of comments. People I don't know coming in and criticizing me saying I was being racist and that I needed to know my place and that the conversation around imposter syndrome and the nuances of it did not belong to me and and I needed to check myself. Um, and and that was like a really really painful interaction to have because.

52:54.74

kitedart

Upon.

53:11.61

Chrysta Bairre

There was part of me that felt like I certainly can't claim to know what everyone's lived experiences but but I do know what my own is and I have actually studied it you you can't look at my Linkedin profile and know that I have these hidden intersectional identities but like I do actually have some some. Ah. Experience personally in this and I've had hundreds of conversations with people around this topic and so I really I really felt this pain and this discomfort around like when is it ok for me to share what I have to share and and my therapist actually helped me with this and we sort of came to the conclusion together that.

53:30.82

kitedart

Wow.

53:36.66

kitedart

You can say that and like Wow Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know I I thank you for sharing that story and I I think that.

53:46.78

Chrysta Bairre

Well I do feel like it's important to have these conversations that I was going to stop having them maybe with people I didn't know so I just happened upon this Linkedin conversation around imposter syndrome and so I joined in thinking this is a really interesting conversation but but I didn't know any of the people.

53:53.23

kitedart

I Think your question is a really great question right? and I think it's I think it's something that a lot of people grapple with and I do think the answers are really personal because there's it's like you know yourself best and you know what that threshold is for you.

54:04.58

Chrysta Bairre

Um, that were directly involved in this conversation when it started and and so there you know I figured for myself like okay these conversations are important to have them but I want to have them in an environment where like I know maybe some of the major stakeholders in the conversation or where I've been invited to be part of the conversation. Um.

54:10.64

kitedart

I Mean a couple things I would offer is one that when you were talking about that. There are these real consequences or these real um ramifications of sharing and that those can be monetary from a business standpoint. They can be from.

54:24.28

Chrysta Bairre

And and like that. But it's still when I think about that whole interaction and everything that happened like it really was pretty painful I mean I I had a lot of people who did not know me spewing all kinds of like hateful messages and words and sending me personal messages ah through Linkedin um, telling me.

54:29.62

kitedart

Emotions and and feeling hurt and those kinds of things they you know they could be physical like it sounds like luckily that's not you know there's not a physical violence or abuse or something happening because but because of it but that you know.

54:43.29

Chrysta Bairre

You know what? an asshole I was and how much I sucked sorry if I can't say that and I was like I was like oh my gosh you know.

54:48.30

kitedart

It is really really important that we look at like what is our threshold and what are we doing to keep ourselves safe. What are we doing to take care of ourselves and that. Where that lands on any given day can be different and maybe there it is about having a rule of not being you know I'm not engaging with people I don't know or I'm you know whatever, but that I I'd offer that that boundary can change day to day hour to hour to minute to minute too right? that. That doing what's right for you and what works for you is really important. Um, the other thing that I'd offer is that I also think there are consequences of not speaking up right? and so I get and and it. It's a choice and it's a hard choice and it sucks when it feels like it could be a lose lose right? I speak up I get hurt I don't speak up I also can get hurt and um I've ah. I can say for myself personally being a person who thought I had to be good my whole life to be able to belong and stay and be you know loved I had to be good ruffling people's feathers was not a thing I was comfortable with.

56:20.93

kitedart

And I only did it when I like literally bottled so much up that I would explode like I literally couldn't keep it in anymore. But I've been these past few years really leaning into what I call commitment over comfort. And you know the source commitment conversation right? So this idea of what are our source commitments. What are our values. What are we really committed to creating in the world and that I value my commitment over my comfort. As much as I can but there's a threshold there too right? There's some days nope can't today and that's okay and other days it's like I'm going to fight and I'm going to put it out there and I get to make that decision and.

57:03.67

Chrysta Bairre

The hope.

57:16.23

kitedart

Sucks that anybody has to do that right? like nobody should have to fight to feel heard and feel valued and feel loved um, particularly based on super random things like the color of our skin or. The way our brain works or what kind of personality we have or et Cetera et Cetera right? but that how much money we have in the bank or grew up with um that sucks and it's also what's real. So. By no means an answer but just a couple things that I was thinking about as you were sharing that story.

59:04.99

Chrysta Bairre

Yeah, thank you for that. Um I I appreciate your insights and and I have to say like so far, you're you're right I've been working on finding that balance and what does that look like for me in different situations and day to day.

59:05.95

kitedart

Yeah, seriously.

59:15.11

kitedart

You know.

59:19.70

Chrysta Bairre

But overall commitment over comfort it is where I'm at right? like um, you know so much of the time when I get involved in conversations like this I Really try to do it as much as possible from the perspective of my lived experience. So I'm not going to tell someone else this my truth is your truth I'm going to say this is my truth. Um.

59:22.22

kitedart

Yeah.

59:38.92

Chrysta Bairre

But it it is difficult when sometimes the response to this is my truth is is attack and hate and and things and I think sometimes that that does happen and so it's it's sort of that. Yes, sometimes that's going to happen and it really sucks. Um. And those days are hard and then I need to do more self-care and maybe take a break from social media. Although I have to say I really wasn't expecting things to I mean I know better than to get into some kind of conversation like that on Facebook but like Linkedin I was expecting a different conversation. Um, because it's Linkedin It's like the professional social media.

01:00:13.72

kitedart

Um, yeah, yeah, um, they yeah and I think it is what's so it's what's true and I I think that I think.

01:00:16.14

Chrysta Bairre

Ah, you know and and and the things that I were saying in my first response were were really not radical. You know I was just saying oh this has been my observance around imposter syndrome and how it shows up and you know and it just struck a nerve with some people but um.

01:00:26.85

kitedart

To me this is part of self-care too. But like I think there can be a lot of value too in those moments when I think that when we when we get really hurt like instinctively we want to hide you know and we want to kind of go and lick our wounds et cetera and that.

01:00:33.65

Chrysta Bairre

But yeah, that idea of commitment over comfort that really resonates with me because I think that is how I show up consistently and and I do get knocked down and I do get hurt. Um and I and I have sometimes it hurts more than I like to admit and sometimes it's like oh I got to take some time and nurse my wounds around this or do some self-care.

01:00:44.16

kitedart

There's so much and I've been having a lot of conversations with folks around this. There's so much comfort that can come from community to and remembering that we don't have to just go hide and lick our wounds but that we can reach out to those who love us who's the s who value us and.

01:00:53.41

Chrysta Bairre

Um, but I still feel like it's so important to keep speaking about our own lived experiences and and particularly individuals with intersectional identities Whether those intersectional identities are visible or invisible I do feel like it's important to keep speaking up about our lived experiences. Um.

01:01:02.69

kitedart

You know, let them support us and ask for help and and ask for the acknowledgement and the validation and the things that maybe we're not seeing um out in the world. Um, and and that that can be helpful and.

01:01:12.10

Chrysta Bairre

And for me I think I accept that sometimes that means that I that I will be harmed by that.

01:01:22.62

kitedart

Yeah, and I and I also try to remember and this is for me myself right? like I I have a lot of privilege and I have access to understanding oppression as well through some of my intersectional identities and. It doesn't mean that I'm going to understand somebody else's oppression and their experience It one can give me some access to empathy and secondly like I don't want to play like Oppression Wars right? Like we've got to. But like we've got to figure out all the oppressions right? I get that I mean I think race and poverty to your point are huge right? like um and very intricately tied together and.

01:02:20.45

kitedart

That it's there's systemic oppression and it's it if it impacts all of us and even if it impacts us differently right? And so with these invisible identities that that you carry. Um.

01:02:35.66

kitedart

Disability Justice Racial Justice Um social socioeconomic I mean there, it just we need to be solving all of them and if we're getting into competition around this one's more important. Um, it just it just feels like that for me that's a missing right? I I get some of the experience is very different black people. Black men in particular black people being killed by the police that is a really really big problem.

01:03:04.80

Chrysta Bairre

I said.

01:03:14.57

kitedart

That right? that takes any feelings I may have and is just ah gives it the middle finger right? like it's just not even to me but it doesn't mean that the ways I experience oppression don't hurt. So yeah I don't I don't um.

01:03:32.94

kitedart

I Think we all need to like join arms as much as we can around fighting this and how the ways I choose to do it and the way you choose to do it and the way other people choose to do it. We need all of us to be doing that work and.

01:03:34.54

Chrysta Bairre

Um.

01:03:50.58

kitedart

Recognizing and valuing the work that we're all doing around fighting oppression in my opinion which isn't any I mean that's not really in response to your question but it's just you know,? let's all work Together. You know, let's not beat each other down.

01:04:18.80

Chrysta Bairre

Aha.

01:05:05.10

Chrysta Bairre

Um, for how.

01:05:19.63

Chrysta Bairre

Yeah I heard something um from one of our shegos high members once and it really resonated with me. We're having a conversation about the work that we're doing to change the world and she said that something she shared something that she learned from a mentor.

01:05:28.97

kitedart

Um, yeah.

01:05:34.94

Chrysta Bairre

Of hers was he had said to her. Um, all of this hard work that we're doing. We will probably not actually see the progress and the impact of that in our lifetime it will come in a future a future lifetime and then you know looking back.

01:05:41.47

kitedart

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:53.76

Chrysta Bairre

It will be all these things that we did now all the times that we spoke up all the activism that we did all all of the things that we did to create change will have resulted in that but we may not see that in our lifetime and that felt really true for me and it was comforting on a level because I think that.

01:05:57.50

kitedart

Um, yeah.

01:06:10.85

Chrysta Bairre

Some of the discomfort I Also sometimes feel speaking up about invisible identities and um, how they apply to me is sometimes I feel this discomfort around like okay I'm doing all this stuff I'm like I'm kind of sometimes getting a little beat up over this and.

01:06:17.65

kitedart

Yeah, yeah, so true and here you know I'm a business coach and I'm like I want results right? for my clients I want them to have results in their business. But I think it's so true and I think that's what commitment over comfort has given me access to is letting go of the results on this and that it's.

01:06:29.33

Chrysta Bairre

You know it's not. It's it doesn't we know we can look backwards and we can say yeah any kind of social progress that doesn't happen swiftly. Um and the social progress that we have today is.

01:06:36.49

kitedart

Commitment and so how how do I show up today in alignment with my commitment to a just world an equitable world and includes the world and what what am I capable of today and.

01:06:47.80

Chrysta Bairre

Ah, a lot of the people that paved the way for that are no longer with us and so that will continue to be true so we can just we can just do our part and show up in our own integrity and in our own values and and then maybe release the result.

01:06:55.23

kitedart

Where do I need to have boundaries and take care of myself and I hope that in generations down the line collectively. All of this work makes much bigger change than I I Yeah I know I'm not going to see the world I Want to see in my life. You know I see Pit pieces.

01:07:06.86

Chrysta Bairre

And allow that to be be claimed and enjoyed by future generations I mean not that we don't want change to be happening now but also like say and can I let go of the results of of my own activism and and trust that over time. This will have the desired impact Even if I am.

01:07:14.88

kitedart

But collectively. Yeah so I think that that's so so so true. Um I would love to wrap up with 2 things I I know I I know that you and I could keep going for so much longer and ah podcasts are not usually so long. So.

01:07:26.18

Chrysta Bairre

Even if I don't see it now.

01:07:33.60

kitedart

Um, would you share what entrepreneurial activism means to you? Chrysta.

01:08:08.73

kitedart

From.

01:08:21.49

Chrysta Bairre

I leave.

01:08:40.52

kitedart

And yeah I love that Thank you? beautiful? Um, last thing will you please share? What are the best ways for people to learn more or engage with you.

01:08:49.67

Chrysta Bairre

When I think about entrepreneurial Activism I Think about my business following my values like you said that commitment um peace being overcomfor being really important so that for me, looks like that I do work that matters with people that I want to work with. And that I also spend my money as an entrepreneur I feel like this is huge in alignment with with my values I think that's a really really big thing not just about looking at where I make money but looking at where I spend money as an entrepreneur and is that aligned and am I using whatever platform I have.

01:09:08.92

kitedart

Perfect Chrysta thank you so much for just bringing your wisdom your insight your experience and your story to us today I really appreciate you being here.

01:09:25.89

Chrysta Bairre

Whatever that looks like for me am I using that for a higher good and a higher purpose. Um or am I just using it to serve myself and and and that I think is is such you know and I have to check in with myself on that regularly and like where am I at with this today. Do I do I feel like this is for the higher. Good.

01:09:31.49

kitedart

Yeah, they really really are well thank you for engaging and and even when it's hard I Really appreciate that you're out there that you're out there doing it all the time. So thank you.

01:09:44.12

Chrysta Bairre

My higher good and the world's higher good or do I think this is for my good and and getting that clarity.

01:09:58.72

Chrysta Bairre

Absolutely So the onest stop shop is my website which isliveandlovework.com at liveinlovework.com you can find out about my speaking she goes hi my book a little bit about coaching. So That's really the best place to go to find all the other things.

01:10:26.40

Chrysta Bairre

Thank you so much I am super excited to have had this conversation I mean we had some version of this conversation privately I'm excited to have it on a podcast I want to keep having conversations like this because I feel it's important.