Embodiment, Values, and Going Slow to Go Fast with Sarah Rimmel, Founder of Slow Integration Coaching

00:00.00

kitedart

Hello everyone and welcome to this week's session of the Now & Center podcast. I'm super excited for my guest today. This is someone that I've known for quite some time, and we've had a lot of amazing conversations, so I know that you are in for a treat. I am here with Sarah Rimmel, the founder of Slow Integration Coaching. Sarah, welcome and thanks for being here.

00:22.90

Sarah 

Thanks for having me here.

00:24.79

kitedart

Yeah, this is gonna be great. I'll give another quick little shout out because I think that we met through Consultants for Good and it's so funny because I have had so many amazing guests on here from Consultants for Good. So a little shout out to that community and Lauren Androski for bringing it together. Such a great group of people. I would love to ask you, just to get started with Sarah, if you would share about your business about Slow Integration. Um, but words today if you would share about Slow Integration Coaching and what you kind of include with that. You know the difference you're making but also I'd love to hear kind of about your values and what like really gives you strength and um, you know the passion behind the work you're doing.

01:13.00

Sarah 

Yeah, yeah, thank you and I'm really excited just to be here and you know just to have this space and this conversation and to share about my business and my work. So yeah, so Slow Integration Coaching. Um, it, you know I offer coaching. I offer offer like leadership coaching and team coaching and some consulting you know and strategy work and um and it's it's sort of been like you know it's It's taken some time to really evolve and and to sort of just. Allow it to just you know, kind of get created right? I started with a different name and then um and then eventually when when the name so integration coaching came it just was like oh this this this is me and this is you know like the work I want to be doing. You know that particular phrase you know, Slow Integration. Um, so um, it's about yeah some of my values are to you know, essentially to go slow. Go slow to go fast and and really that idea of like um we have the wisdom within we have that the knowledge within. And um, like how can we just like slow down to really to be able to to notice it to to understand it to so to be able to bring it forward right? Um, you know that that's all part of like you know, kind of.

02:41.33

Sarah 

How this kind of came about you know for me as a brand and as as a concept. Um, some of my values. Um also are around play. So um, you know I growing up. You know definitely was it. You know, grew up as like a serious person right? and and sort of reacted to some things in my you know family system and in you know society like in this way of like oh I need to be serious you know and so definitely play.

03:01.21

kitedart

And.

03:12.87

kitedart

Um.

03:14.91

Sarah 

And really making space for that and inviting that in has been so healing for me and and it's still something that takes takes practice and intention right? especially in this professional context right? of like where that's. Feels like it's not always there right? is that idea of play so play. Um, liberation is another one of my values. So really rooting everything and you know and and understanding and around you know systems and dynamics of power privilege and oppression.

03:35.61

kitedart

Have the.

03:53.30

Sarah 

And really doing this work for the sake of liberation you know for myself for others um repair and healing are 2 of my other values. So really, you know rooting again on so much of this work like also connecting it to to healing and really Connecting. You know, racial Justice and social Justice work in the Ei diversity and inclusion work take to healing. Um, those are things that um, that I've just loved learning and being able to kind of be in that Space. You know, kind of connecting most those areas um and then repair so you know. I Feel like also in and my life I I didn't learn so much that we things can happen and we can make mistakes and that there's actually ah like the idea that we can actually repair you know in relationships right? Um and I still feel like that's such a ah, a simple and powerful skill Um, for.

04:41.35

kitedart

And.

04:52.47

Sarah 

Kids for adults for all of us to to be learning and practicing. Um you know and and just to be powerful and sort of you know like have consent and choice around you know, um our relationships and kind of communication and all that um and then.

05:11.89

Sarah 

I Think those are it I think oh and Community Community is one of our values too. So yeah, just building community. Yeah yeah.

05:18.78

kitedart

Who Love it. I Love all of those and it's so funny right? because you we've we've done a decent bit of work together had a lot of conversations and it's so funny right? because um, we've talked about how. Um, Jargon Alert Sorry source commitments right? like it's like our values but like deeper like what we're deeply committed to creating more of in this world for ourselves and others and that that alignment to source commitments is from a business standpoint.

05:39.70

Sarah 

Yeah.

05:46.72

kitedart

Is one of the number 1 predicators of conversion right? And so as you were sharing all of that Sarah I'm just like that all just resonates so deeply and I love it and um, that alignment like yes I'm so right there with you and I love how um you know what you were sharing about.

05:48.23

Sarah 

And.

05:55.76

Sarah 

Mark.

06:06.19

kitedart

You know, growing up feeling that you needed to be serious. Um, that was definitely part of my kind of family system paradigm that or context that I grew up in and I probably very self-imposed. But um, there was this. Need to be serious need to be good need to help everyone else and it ties in so much with what you were saying about repair and how I think I thought that if I wasn't those things. Then I wasn't good and it it it I It wasn't fixable right? like that that repair wasn't really an option. So I Really appreciate what you're saying about that repair piece. Um.

06:48.83

Sarah 

Um.

06:58.91

kitedart

Yeah I did that ties in so much and resonates really deeply for me. Yeah, so let me ask can you share more right? You talked a little bit about how right Slow Integration Coaching wasn't where you started with your business. So would you be willing and not.

07:00.95

Sarah 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

07:16.83

kitedart

Your business but I'd love to just have you share more about your story of how you got to this work. Um I think you've just got a really interesting story. A real rich background. So what's really led you to this place that you're at now.

07:33.65

Sarah 

Um, yeah, ah yeah, where do I begin where do I go? Yeah yeah, you know, um for whatever reason I want I Want to.

07:39.47

kitedart

You begin wherever you like.

07:49.55

Sarah 

You know and it connects to something that I already share but I just am wanting to name it again. Um, so I have here you know, just little like some little trinkets and some little like things. This is just a little stone. Um you know and and sort of um I feel like I get a lot of just.

07:49.56

kitedart

Um, you know? yeah.

08:05.70

Sarah 

Resource or sort of support for this little objects right? that that can just remind me of things you know Ah, my values remind me of you know, um, just ideas that I want to like cultivate more right? Um, so but but this little stone this is not the exact one but I was hiking and I had. You know I had picked up a stone or a little a little pebble. Um, and you know and then I dropped it and I couldn't find it right and you know I was like looking around and I and I had really liked that little you know that little pebble and and it was under and and eventually like when I just. Pause and it was under my foot right? So it was like that was like when I really got that first like that the phrase Slow Integration right? like I just I again I need to slow down every like I feel like I've lived so much on my life. You know.

08:45.63

kitedart

Wow! yeah.

08:55.87

kitedart

And.

09:01.94

Sarah 

Except for like the last few years when I've really been able to like you know, be practicing somatics more and and I can talk a little bit more about that. But um, you know I It really allowed me to slow down because before I was just like always I was always just like searching some answer or some. You know something. There was something outside of myself. You know that that some answer that I didn't have you know?? Um, and again I feel like that really connects to my upbringing and you know just so many elements around you know, um.

09:21.53

kitedart

And.

09:35.45

Sarah 

So many dynamics right? like high alcoholism and the family right? Just different different things around just you know that the identities that I hold and but I you know, um I met my father when I was 30 right? So I didn't know my father growing up so there are all these sort of little things and big things that. Had me searching you know outside of myself for for my roots and for my confidence and and for um, sort of just that I was okay to know that I was ok, right? So um I feel like I've been doing like healing work. You know for from most of my life and. Um, well yeah, and where am I going with all this um I'm going to pause and breathe. Yeah, um, yeah, so that was a really you know special moment. You know to kind of just like have that like like sort of full body expanse of like.

10:16.11

kitedart

Yeah, yeah.

10:31.87

Sarah 

Or so I just thought that experience of like oh the the answers are within right? and um, and so that yeah that that really you know was the moment that I I I changed my name January of this year and and I feel like it just really kind of. Supported me and just really just kind of more owning my. You know my experience my my values um, being able to like really bring that forward. Bring myself forward. Um, you know as a coach right? like ah when i.

10:56.13

kitedart

They have another.

11:07.68

Sarah 

Moved into this path of coaching I didn't know that it meant that we when it comes to marketing. We're gonna be bringing ourselves forward like you know and and and there's so even though I've always said like oh I want to be able to be vulnerable. It's like it really takes you know.

11:15.35

kitedart

Yeah.

11:26.61

Sarah 

I Solve a ton of you know had a ton of resistance almost really being vulnerable. Um, so anyways I feel like that that at least that's one of the stories that I'm wanting to share. There's so much you know so much to to what's guide me here. But um, but yeah, ah.

11:29.47

kitedart

Yeah.

11:41.44

kitedart

Yeah.

11:44.36

Sarah 

That that's a bit of it. You know, um and I worked ah you know so I worked in my background as in working in nonprofits you know I've worked in a number of different nonprofits. Um I studied on Public Health you know it in undergraduates you know school and um.

11:53.30

kitedart

Ahead.

12:02.24

Sarah 

And sort of did a lot of different things in organizations I Um So but I was always curious about like systems people like how like what's working what?? what's sort of in the way of things working more effectively. Um, so I feel like that's always been. You know like. A lens or a curiosity that I've had when I've gone into like workplaces and and then I when I started working at the University and I was immersed in a social Justice. You know so community space and you know really got to just deep in around.

12:22.68

kitedart

Yeah.

12:37.28

Sarah 

Yeah topics of diversity and inclusion and and again like how how can how can we communicate and educate about these topics. How can we? you know, create strategies and initiatives at you know, support people and and then again what gets in the way right from. From ourselves from leaders from you know from the system. Um, so all that you know really led me you know after working you know in a university for you know about 8 years um doing all sorts of different you know things and. And learning so much. Um, you know, really led me to coaching and into the the field of of coaching and um, yeah, and that's been sort of the last few years has been like taking everything that I've learned you know in in different ways you know and in undergrad and graduate school. You know. Um, in the community. You know my own personal healing journey like kind of bringing it all together you know into so what I can offer that in that relationship with you know with a client and in their own journey and then and then their own you know, exploration around. Around the leadership around you know, um life right? So yeah, yeah.

13:52.68

kitedart

Yeah I love that So a couple things is so funny when you picked up your rock I immediately got my um my my bracelets. It's so funny because they sit on my desk because I forget sometimes like because I don't leave the house very much like I forget.

13:59.72

Sarah 

Are.

14:07.98

kitedart

Leave them on my desk and as soon as you said that it's like 1 of those things that it's like that reminder or that you know thing to connect to so I love that um and I love that story right? of like how it's like oh I lost it right? and I feel like there was this moment of like ah like oh no right? and and then.

14:13.23

Sarah 

Um, more are.

14:23.83

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

14:25.90

kitedart

When you slow down. It's like there it was and and then when you're sharing about how you've done all of these different things. It was kind of then giving me the picture that in all of those different career moves those different jobs that you've held the different Organizations. You've been a part of the different Roles. You've played. Like for each of those you're picking up some trinkets right? and you're collecting them and now you've like got them all like you've brought them all together to bring what I think is a really unique and special blend um of.

14:50.97

Sarah 

Are.

15:01.82

kitedart

How you operate how you work with folks right? And even this this idea of Slow Integration. Um, so I'm I'm wondering if you could just maybe say a little bit more There's like 2 things I'd love to have you say more about 1 is to maybe talk a little bit more about the somatics. Part of the work you do and I also think this kind of ties in with that is that this idea of Slow Integration like I feel like we live in this society. That's all about the silver bullet and the quick fix and and so I and but but I know that it is.

15:21.46

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

15:39.40

kitedart

Go slow to go fast like I love that scene and I I really um, try to embrace that. So how do you? Maybe if you want to say more about the somatics and how do you reconcile? Um, our culture's desire for the quick fix.

15:41.52

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

15:58.47

kitedart

Versus knowing what really what it really takes for healing and repair and liberation. So 2 questions at once I apologize it is stack come on there.

16:11.17

Sarah 

Um, that's okay I do that to Karen I know I that's something I practice too. You know it's like 1 question but I always have multiple questions you know? um.

16:19.27

kitedart

1 question 1 question. Yeah, or you can choose your own adventure answer. However, you like I like to give people choice. You know.

16:26.65

Sarah 

Right? I like that I too and um, me too. You know I'm a believe I'm like you know I'm like always like lots of things and like and you know to to na. It has also been a really helpful practice. Um.

16:39.23

kitedart

Um, yeah, yes.

16:44.23

Sarah 

Yeah, those are some really great questions. Um, and and and I I suppose you know it's coming uprood me right now is just like that idea that you know I I truly can you know mostly I can answer for myself, right? and and then like you know. What I What I see possible like you know with with the folks that I've worked with and and what I see possible like with other groups that are also like sort of doing this or work around somatics. It seems like it's It's really just allowed. You know it's really healing right? It really has the potential for healing right? and um.

17:16.64

kitedart

Yeah.

17:20.56

Sarah 

And you know I'm I'm Goingnna get you know, kind of ants try to weave all that together and you know I want to kind of bring in another aspect too. So part of the last few years around like um, my journey as I mentioned has also been like learning not only about like somatics you know, but also. You know somatics which also means like embodiment right? like sort of embodying ourselves more fully right? kind of um, not just coming from our head or you know our shoulders upright but also being able to like come from. You know our fuller experience right? Like like what's happening in this whole sort of system that we have this whole. You know, being that we have right? Um, you know I feel like um, what I wanted to bring on was the idea of like trauma informed like that or that that idea of like trauma informed. Um you know approaches or disunderstanding how trauma connects to to.

18:10.43

kitedart

I'm not alone.

18:17.61

kitedart

A.

18:18.47

Sarah 

Our lives right? And how it um, just how that also fits into diversity and inclusion work right? And and um, you know, just the idea that that trauma rate um you know trauma we made experience Personally, you know trauma that that we experience around oppression right? like. All Disrupts you know it just like the idea that it disrupts our ability to like really more fully be with ourselves and then to be with each other and then to be with the environment right? and to be you know So It's sort of like there. There are you know.

18:47.56

kitedart

My.

18:54.11

Sarah 

Things you know that that happen that that we don't it. It seems like we don't really you know in maybe this particular societal sort of like Contract. We don't really know again how to repair or how to really take time to grieve or to heal right? like that's just not. Taught as much right? and so so there's you know all of yeah so again, just like that that idea that that there is more possible when we can really um, you know like make space for for healing some of those raptures right. Um, I feel like that's at least what's what's what I've noticed in my journey right? like I um, you know I still get anxiousll I'll share to speak you know personally I love up for a moment like I still get anxious I still you know, get stressed and all of that.

19:31.18

kitedart

Um, yeah.

19:46.42

Sarah 

And you know when I started with a somatic therapist. You know 5 six years ago. However, long ago it was it was you know my my shift between that time and now is like so so different. It's like I didn't even know what was possible by being able to just.

20:03.23

kitedart

And.

20:06.12

Sarah 

Slow down and like really just start getting curious about things like breathing right? or like my nervous is um or you know like um, like really like taking care you know sort of like getting curious about what's happening and then also fighting ways to like. You know, kind of I you like the term tend you know tend to myself tend to those things right? Um, so I just feel like I think I feel like often. What guides me and my work is like kind of havingn't gone through things myself and like I know that like my body and my being and sort of how I feel and inside it like sort of inside is like.

20:27.61

kitedart

And.

20:44.26

Sarah 

Is different. It's like it's hard to sometimes put that in words but it's like I know it feels different. You know, um, and and I feel like that has come through you know, sort of like so you know sort of little you know whatever I have been able to take in at the time but like.

20:46.29

kitedart

Now.

21:01.59

Sarah 

Slow You know little sort of moments of just like starting to tune in a little bit more to the things I wasn't paying attention to before or didn't know you know to pay attention to um, yeah, you know like when I started I was I love to like tell this story you know, but it's.

21:12.83

kitedart

Yeah.

21:20.51

Sarah 

It's kind of silly but I had a friend who um, you know I would give her a hug and and I would do though she would she would point out how I was like just take a hugger right? where I would just like cat and I like wasn't really able to like just sort of like hug you know and that was what was.

21:29.47

kitedart

I.

21:35.88

kitedart

Yeah.

21:40.36

Sarah 

Capable like that's what I was keep you know was able to to do at the time right? and so just being able to like now like this over time like you know, just be able to like be much more able to be with myself be with others right? and like um I don't know if that you know.

21:58.22

kitedart

Ask.

21:58.82

Sarah 

Makes sense but that that that sort of like you know, kind of got me curious like oh ok, what? what is the body you know like that's I So when I was choosing my coaching program I was like I want to program that that's really going to help me kind of be able to to learn more about somatics and um and and. You know, kind of go on this either journey to to kind of for myself, you know and and bring that into my work So I don't know if I answered some of your questions. Yeah, um, yeah.

22:23.51

kitedart

Yeah I Yeah you so did oh my gosh. Yeah, and and I I think that's just beautiful and and I would second that my experience was very much similar to that and So. Kind of what I'm like taking from that is that we we can have these traumatic experiences we can have these these different things that happen right? and that I think our society is more about like. Stuff them ignore them right? and it's sort of this like stuffing it down in our body and it's like disconnecting our head from our body and I guess I'll speak to my experience as Well. Which is always better is that.

23:03.69

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

23:09.42

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

23:16.43

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

23:17.95

kitedart

I had built up such a wall I think around who I truly am was whatever and that um when certain things might trigger me or upset me or be a challenge. I would go to my head to try to solve it and it's like it. It doesn't solve it right? like again I kind of feel like there's this quick fix and like I can think my way out of this or you know I mean I've even done I can breathe my way out of this I can meditate my way out of this I can yoga my way out of this.

23:45.64

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

23:53.88

kitedart

But it wasn't breaking down that wall that I had built up to protect myself from all of the things right? and and all of those things were stored in my body and that the somatics and the embodiment work is like. Chipping away at that wall so that it can come out and that's probably not a great analogy but like I think you said it way better, but it's like kind of just what I was visioning in my head as you were talking and like and and from my perspective and my experience and so I think that.

24:13.49

Sarah 

Yeah.

24:23.31

Sarah 

Are.

24:29.86

kitedart

What I love about this is yeah I feel like our society really does kind of push for this quick fix Silver bullet but that that's such a superficial thing those so those quick fixes quote unquote aren't fixes. They're a band-aid they're superficial.

24:30.66

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

24:48.62

kitedart

And that if we really want to heal and we really want to come more fully into who we are. It's a slow process because we've got to like slowly chip away at the walls that we've built up. Um and to get. To get our head and our bodies reconnected that was my takeaway.

25:09.14

Sarah 

Um, yeah, yeah, thank you for sharing that Karen yeah yeah, and yeah I mean I just see. Yeah, um yep I want to show? Yeah I mean um I think I do want to.

25:18.76

kitedart

Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that's good.

25:26.49

Sarah 

You know, maybe reinforce and like echo back some of the things you're sharing too just to you know? Um, but like um yeah, that idea of like chipping away or like sort of like I've heard of other folks, you know, like sort of use language of like what do we need to un learn. What do we need a relearn right? Um, ah.

25:40.21

kitedart

Okay.

25:46.18

Sarah 

You know I feel like and it is so personal that this journey and and I I think too like what was coming up as you was sharing was um, you know this idea of I think one of the initial prompts you gave me were um.

25:47.66

kitedart

Yeah.

26:03.15

Sarah 

And like in our society like how how can you know if we're in a society that's like so so like we want it fast. We want it like you know, but but had had well I guess my my my thought is like has that actually is that How's that actually working for us right? right.

26:17.10

kitedart

Yeah, yeah, it's good question. Yeah.

26:21.81

Sarah 

Right? Because like that that that's like you know and and often I'm like sometimes I I still sort of like it takes a moment or it's like oh how do I explain this work. How do I explain this journey right? How do I explain what I'm wanting you know able to offer. But. You know because it's so part of our society so part of our culture so part you know this this to use the word like we're not you know, embodied right? like but it's like how is that really working for us. You know we won you know this quick fix right? We you know this the the ways that we.

26:48.41

kitedart

Um, me Anna. Yeah.

26:57.64

Sarah 

Move and you know all that like others say ah you know, really articulately like around like sort of feelinging about a link that to like systems of capitalism and sort of systems just some of these systems that that are not actually you know that are what have created you know and and contributed to this right? But it's like. It doesn't actually you know like this isn't necessarily working you know like and and I think like when I was you know in in different workplaces. You know I think like there are different points where I just kept coming back to this idea or this feeling of like oh.

27:18.51

kitedart

Yes.

27:33.39

Sarah 

Why can't this be easier like this has got to be easier to like you know to to meet people's needs to you know students or staff or different. You know, marginalized groups or other represent groups like you know or dominant culture groups like wanting certain changes right? and it's like why you know like.

27:38.55

kitedart

Yeah.

27:52.59

Sarah 

Right? Why can't we make this happen. You know easier and it was like you know that's also sort of like gone into like what I think why I'd like gone on my particular like sort of journey right is is like wanting to find some of those like answers you know and and. I Think yeah I was also recently on a call and and it was like um, somebody that I really admire and in this person you know this couple. They do a lot around like environmental Justice and social Justice and um in a lot around like permaculture and just like the land right. And um, they were talking about like the idea of ah you know, creating healthy nourishing like communities like on art like on this earth and sort of like we kind of can just kind of like how far we can sort of lose sight of like that that. You know that we can actually create that and and like how is that that we create that right? and um, and anyways I'm kind of going lots of big other places you know, but it's like it feels like I don't know I did yeah it feels important.

29:04.00

kitedart

Here's what like what I'm taking from that and I've never really thought about it this way but like I feel like with what you're saying right and taking it to that bigger level is like there's the personal embodiment but then there's The. Systems Embodiment. There's the cultural embodiment right? like and I think that that's like maybe another way of sort of getting it the opposite of the performativeness that we have right of the we're going to say that we value this We're going to say that we care about this but we're not actually going to change the systems. The structures. The.

29:18.57

Sarah 

Are.

29:29.30

Sarah 

Um, me yeah.

29:34.70

Sarah 

Are.

29:38.10

kitedart

Organizations the communities to reflect that and so what I'm really hearing is that it's like there's the personal embodiment in our physical bodies and then there's the embodiment of um, what what does it really look like.

29:47.84

Sarah 

Are.

29:56.43

kitedart

To change these structures and systems to embody humanity and Justice and the environment and honoring honoring all of these things right? and.

29:57.15

Sarah 

Are.

30:12.91

kitedart

And also unfortunately that's a very Slow Integration process like which it was faster but it's it's not going to be. It's not going to be fast. Unfortunately, we've had the moments of a little momentum.

30:20.67

Sarah 

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:28.19

kitedart

You know, speeding up but I feel like it's always you know then it kind of wanes again a little bit. So yeah I thought that was that was great.

30:32.67

Sarah 

Yeah, well and you know what's interesting Karen is that like I feel like I you know because I heard you say unfortunately, it's not pass away. It's not bad right right? and and it's like I think in the past I've been there right? like I've been like yeah.

30:45.74

kitedart

Um, right? Ah yes yeah.

30:52.28

Sarah 

You know like it needs to be fast right? because this is so urgent and this is so important and all these reasons right? and and because we have all these other things we need to do right and like for whatever reasons you know it's like because I've gone up been like sort of again and that you know I'm I'm.

30:55.83

kitedart

Left.

31:09.98

Sarah 

Saying Slow Integration as like a brand and as an invitation but it's also like I'm it's like as a remind myself slow down you know and like but by that process of like you know trying to just really slow down. You know, like remind myself of ease like you know some of these things that's like I Also like.

31:15.42

kitedart

Now.

31:29.43

Sarah 

Relate to that idea in such a different way. It's like oh there's There's so much space. There's actually so much. You know it's sort of interesting and weird to them like how is that but that's what's happened now I'm like no, there's so much space you know? and and I am like happy to do this for like.

31:35.50

kitedart

Ah.

31:40.40

kitedart

Yeah.

31:48.77

Sarah 

You know the rest of my life that I'm able to right? and then it's just because I think because it's like probably I'm just started attacking out loud in this moment. But I think probably because it's like I'm not attached to that urgency anymore. So. It actually feels really framed. A.

32:07.66

kitedart

Um I love that oh my gosh. So yes, first of all I love right? We're here I might come on. Let's move this along faster like sense of urgency. Let's go but it is because like people are being harmed and I so appreciate.

32:15.48

Sarah 

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

32:22.53

kitedart

What you just said right? and and and that just gave me definitely new access to some patients I think because I have seen that when I have slowed slowed down for myself in my journey and given myself that space and invited in that ease.

32:41.63

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

32:42.15

kitedart

I've felt different and so that definitely gives me some access to maybe letting go of some of my frustration with things not going fast enough society like society that.

32:56.43

Sarah 

Yeah.

33:00.60

kitedart

It's going to be the same right? The same way we need to slow down and take the space for ourselves for the healing and the liberation that that's something can come from slowing down in our systems and in society some of that slowdown though I think is um.

33:19.69

kitedart

Also around something different in terms of the need to like always produce produce produce. You know what? I mean like the slowdown is is like what are what is the focus and is the focus constantly. What are we producing? What are we doing? What are we getting done that we have to be willing to take the step.

33:25.60

Sarah 

Um, me. Okay, yeah.

33:37.56

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

33:39.19

kitedart

Back to create space for the conversations for the work of just like liberating ourselves liberating our systems bringing injustice. But.

33:44.68

Sarah 

E.

33:56.60

kitedart

But that we do have to and and I think that that's you know I'm I'm sure for you that you're like yeah, that's the work I do and so yes, like let's all do that and we need guides and facilitators for that and coach us for that. Um.

34:07.24

Sarah 

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I feel like it looks and it feels and it is. You know it's It's personal. It's different right? And and um.

34:17.99

kitedart

Um, yeah.

34:23.00

Sarah 

And and I'm just thinking like you know this idea you know and and even the idea of like oh like connecting to our body right? like that. That's that means different things for you know like I know you know like I know like I can be. It's you know this or we can share in this like this idea that that's not even like.

34:32.28

kitedart

Yeah, it would.

34:41.32

Sarah 

Accessible to you know everywhere? That's not even safe to everyone right? like there's so many just different ways that we relate you know to to you know I Any of these sort of ideas we're talking about. Um so I'm also just like present to wanting to name that you know, um, ah.

34:45.91

kitedart

None less.

34:54.70

kitedart

Um, yeah.

34:59.96

kitedart

Yeah, there is.

35:00.16

Sarah 

But yeah, there's a lot a lot in it. You know and um and I guess just one last thing to maybe name about somatics is the one of the definitionci notions that I like that I've liked is comes from an organization called Generative somatictics and they say that semitics is um. Is a change theory. It's like ah a change theory. Um that ah you know what are they I'm like what is the definition but essentially like ah a change theory um for personal and and collective transformation. So.

35:28.38

kitedart

Um, if.

35:35.62

kitedart

Um, yeah, yeah, that's great. Oh my gosh I Love this? Well I appreciate the nuggets like I definitely have some new ways of thinking about things or being with things. Maybe not the thinking but the being.

35:38.99

Sarah 

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

35:45.53

Sarah 

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

35:50.88

kitedart

Things from this conversation. So I really appreciate it I would love to turn a little bit more to the business side of things and um I would love to invite you to share you know about your experience as a business owner. What things have you grappled with and and.

35:58.17

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

36:10.83

kitedart

You know, particularly anything you want to bring in around your identities and how that's impacted your experience as a business owner would be great.

36:20.53

Sarah 

Um, yeah, great. Um, big question. So Yeah I mean it certainly has been I don't want The first thing I say to be.. It's been a challenge but it's been. You know. It's been a challenge you know is um I've gone to a lot of things in my life as I'm sure you have and um and and and starting a business. You know like um I So you know I started. It.

36:37.00

kitedart

Um, yeah, yeah, fair.

36:52.91

Sarah 

About 3 years I started my business actually right when the pandemic was beginning. You know, right? Very as we were really moving into to that. Um, and so yeah I just didn't know how many more layers of like you know that I have to move through right in terms of like um. My own growth you know and and actually I'm gonna pause for second because I'm just noticing is it is the reception still Okay, it's breaking up a little bit and can you still see me and hear me. Yeah, you can okay.

37:19.37

kitedart

It's a couple times. It's gone. It's just gone a little Oh I can see you and hear you? Yes, Yeah, yeah, yeah I think it's just because the.

37:30.40

Sarah 

Ok, ok so I'll sign again. Okay so so yes, it's buff. Ah.

37:36.30

kitedart

Sorry I think you're you're I think you're good. Go ahead. Yeah.

37:43.62

Sarah 

Okay, okay, um, so yeah, so I started my business and like you know, 20 right? right? as the pandemic was beginning and and I just I I don't even though I knew I had certain ideas about what it was to start a business and to become a business owner. I didn't know how how that was actually going to feel and and how many like layers of personal sort of you know conditioning and internalized oppression and sort of just you know doubt and like all of these different you know, um, layers that I was going to have to move you know move through right to to. Conceive of the brand to conceive of what I wanted to do to create it to put it out there to you know to iterate ah on it. It's just been a lot and and um and so um, you know I appreciate it and there's a lot that I've learned from from this. Process and there's a lot of you know support that I've gotten from colleagues and peers and friends and you know you know when I was starting I was like oh I wish there there could have been something more to just be able to like help me just move into it in ah and an easier way like some. Some other template or some other sort of I Always when I was starting like like had had this like longing for just having another consulting or coaching group that I could just join and really just shadow and be their apprentice and and it didn't happen right? like you know and like I really like wanted that you know just.

39:11.63

kitedart

Yeah.

39:14.17

Sarah 

Because I felt like that would have just been so helpful because I I do really well with like um with sort of being able to have something that's already there and then be able to like work with it right? like give me ah, give me a ah culture action plan I can look at it and like share where there's gaps right? Um, you know like it helps to have something.

39:21.76

kitedart

Um, yeah.

39:34.00

Sarah 

It's it's It's a lot you know more challenging for me to like kind of create from scratch and to build build the systems you know and then and all of that right? So yeah, so it's been I Like to say it's It's the learning you know and it still is yeah.

39:44.15

kitedart

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's so funny because I feel like it it totally your journey and what you're sharing here. Mirrors.

39:51.97

Sarah 

And.

39:59.16

kitedart

Conversation. We just had about Slow Integration right? and that it's like there isn't this quick fix and I think we've been lied to right? We've been lied to that entrepreneurship is easy. Anyone can do it. You know, just you know come on buckle up and like let's go and you can be an overnight success.

40:03.22

Sarah 

Manual.

40:08.27

Sarah 

Are are for.

40:18.70

kitedart

And that that is not that is not my experience that is not your experience that is not the experience of so many people and I think that the people who that is their experience. A lot of times those might be folks who have been handed down a business or they've got. Five years ten years of capital in the bank or they've got um investors or you know they've got the right social capital like it's people who have a lot of privilege and even still this idea of an overnight success is like yeah five years later they were an overnight success and so. I 1 thing I'll just name is that I do think that we've been lied to um, secondly I think that um, again there there isn't a quick fix. There isn't an answer. And it can be slow and there is I've found my experience. This is my fourth business which I did join by the way. So what you're saying about like joining something right? like I mean I've started 3 other businesses. Um.

41:16.36

Sarah 

E.

41:27.27

kitedart

And they've had different levels of success and more importantly, different levels of my buy in and engagement and passion for what I was doing that was more indicative of the success so to speak? Um, but that um.

41:45.79

kitedart

This experience has been one of the most transformative things that I've done and there's no, there's been no way for me to get here other than going through what I went through right and that it has been a slow journey. It has been a journey of healing and liberation and transformation.

41:50.93

Sarah 

Um, and.

42:01.56

Sarah 

Are.

42:03.42

kitedart

And integration and it's been slow and so when I just you know Thank you for sharing that I know that that can be really vulnerable because it's not. You know you get on social media and it's always the magical story of.

42:20.30

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

42:20.94

kitedart

Boom It happened you know? So thank you for that and and I think that there's probably a lot of my listeners who that will really resonate with them deeply can I ask another part and you can choose if you'd like to answer this or not but I'd love to. Um.

42:31.35

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

42:37.75

kitedart

If you're willing to share a little bit around your racial identity and the impact that's had and that's the thing we've talked a lot about because we both you know, identify as multiracial and so it it. There's this whole idea of.

42:47.31

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

42:54.47

kitedart

Different spaces and so I don't I just invite you and if you don't want to That's okay.

42:57.59

Sarah 

Um, yeah, yeah know I appreciate that inquiry. You know that that question and and um around yes. Like around is how my identity you know around race or you know either aspects have have shaped like how I like feel you know and conceive of myself as a business owner as well as how you know I feel like others can you know experience me um, you know So I.

43:13.83

kitedart

Yeah.

43:23.18

kitedart

Um, yeah.

43:30.91

Sarah 

You know I identify as you know as biracial you know I am and um, grew up. You know, like in a white household. So I have a lot of like proximity to whiteness and I also identify um you know ah as a person of color and um I also identify as a queer you know. Person and a member of belly be a cute community in um and you know and and a number of different ways you identify. But um I think some of the things that probablyly that I I get curious about like is. Like how you know how I'm perceived like I'm I'm also you know I you know I am a you know I'm ah petite person I'm I'm a petite person I'm a lot of people you know I I and also I'll just share this for that you know for for listeners. So I have. You know, but long brown hair. You know I have like Brown ah tam skin. Um, you know I'm yeah again, very petite and and I often people think that I'm a lot younger than I am so I know that that has also like I feel like like impacted. How.

44:36.70

kitedart

Are the.

44:43.31

Sarah 

And don't know just how I feel like I've been perceived right? and just like um and so I think that it's impacted me as a business owner in lots of ways. But in particular around like just sort of holding this constant like it's constantly that I'm holding like how am I perceived right? and and sort of like. But if I want to really to show up and sort of be more myself more more fierce more expressive right? like is that is that going to be received is that you know not going to be received right? Um, so I feel like that that that's it at least what's coming up right now is's a lot of sort of thoughts around that. Um.

45:11.55

kitedart

Ah.

45:21.72

Sarah 

You know I feel like around around gender you know and sort of just um, certainly it's like there's been impacts On. You know, being a business owner and and sort of just like access to things like capital or just resources I feel like you know, um, you know and again I don't always know what. Other people's experiences I said on but but you know we certainly hear statistics very around um limited. You know, capital and support for women of color. You know, business owners for for folks and and lots of different marginalized identities right? Um, but but yeah I feel like um.

45:53.11

kitedart

Yeah.

45:59.90

Sarah 

That That's some of what it really is coming up is just sort of some of the ways that I um I'm just constantly kind of holding you know, sort of like how am I perceived like you know and the work that I do. It's like really important to really. You know, hold my own experiences as well as like either people's experiences or sort of what I sort of be sensitive towards you know people are at different places and and also wanting to really meet people where they're at so I just feel like there's this constant sort of like you know, kind of paying attention noticing sort of.

46:18.16

kitedart

I.

46:36.35

Sarah 

Curious and then also reflective of it and and that is like my gift and it's also exhausting right? and um and I can at times be really like like again, this is my gift right? and these are parts of my guests and.

46:42.62

kitedart

And and.

46:54.79

Sarah 

Like then I can also be like in doubt or shame around right? You know based on my aspects of identity and um, yeah, ah pause they her you? um.

47:05.66

kitedart

Yeah, no thank you for sharing that I really appreciate that and I think um, you know what? what is coming up for me as you're sharing that Sarah is. How much it makes sense what you're doing in your business right? Like how truly aligned to you. It is and so much of that is because of your experiences right with your identities with your jobs with your you know natural maybe curiosity around systems and relationship and.

47:38.41

Sarah 

Are.

47:41.10

kitedart

And these things and that it's like this is this um you know I don't want to say culminating because it's not like this is the last thing you're going to do but it's like you know what? all that has come before has like naturally led you to this place of doing this work and that so much comes from.

47:49.75

Sarah 

Um.

48:00.80

kitedart

Your own experience and your own journey before starting the business and within the business and I think that that's what's I Think that's really beautiful and I think that that's um, you know it's like how lucky are you like I'm not saying that all of those experiences are lucky or have felt good, but like. How cool is it that you are getting to really integrate your whole life experience into this business and then your business journey itself is also mirroring the I don't know if mirroring but you know what I mean it's It's like following the similar path that's continuing. Continues to lead you to what's next you know so again, not saying that that always feels good or it's always been easy like I get that you know, but um I just it just is really cool to Hear. Um.

48:41.79

Sarah 

Um, yeah, yeah.

48:57.79

kitedart

To hear all look the sort of uncoverings and and then also like continuing to be in a space of holding some of that tension and and you know yeah.

49:14.82

Sarah 

Yeah, yeah, and I I feel like so fortunate in my life that I've you know, been able to access. Um, not only education and lots of different ways and professional development but also just. And really been able to access healing right? and and then and that that word can mean a lot of different things. It can um it can look and be a lot you know sort of there that that there's so many different ways you know that we can engage and and relate to that and I just feel so.

49:31.55

kitedart

Yeah.

49:44.20

Sarah 

Like really fortunate. You know that I've really been able to like um you know access therapy and and and you know carve out time off and and sort of do things you know that have been supportive to my you know my healing journey right? um.

50:00.39

kitedart

Yeah.

50:03.76

Sarah 

And that's not you know in our systems and structures not available to everyone and and that's certainly something that I and I care about I know you care about right and is like is is making that more available right? Um, so yeah, yeah, and.

50:16.72

kitedart

Yeah.

50:21.83

Sarah 

Um, yeah, and I think just thinking about like the business I Guess one other thing on ah name is I feel like you know I know that I have so many you know as as do so many other folks there are so many like. Competencies and not you know, points of knowledge but it's not always you know, traditional or sort of dominant culture like you know, knowledge plains. Ah, and so I feel like I'm just reflecting in this moment about um and I have a lot of those too right I have ah access to you know I am at higher education I'm very.

50:47.36

kitedart

Yeah, um.

50:59.24

Sarah 

You know, privileged unfortunate I have some of these degrees right? Which I've gotten to really so I can feel like I am able to be like Nope I have I have that certification. Don't you know? don't you know like you know, but still.

51:07.74

kitedart

Yeah, yeah.

51:14.27

Sarah 

You know I still feel like I get questioned I still feel like there are these questions about you know my competency My you know like and um and there's been times that I've worked on projects with colleagues and you know it's like Dei or diversity to inclusion particularly right? and and it's like then there becomes a moment where it. Somebody you know, doesn't you know that there's their own resistance or whatever is coming up right? and and I just always am curious about them. How are they perceiving the experience based on the identities I hold or the identities that you know my colleagues might hold right. And how would that be different in a different body right? you know? and so those are things too that I just sit with and you know I get curious about and hope we can all keep making more space for you know.

51:56.78

kitedart

Um, yeah.

52:05.14

kitedart

Yeah, such great. Yeah yeah, all great inquiry to be in and yes I I Um I believe that women of color are the most. Educated like subpopulation in our country and it's like I you know how much of that is because of the extra need to prove ourselves so to speak and you know so yeah, just I think there's a lot there for that Inquiry. Um.

52:35.72

Sarah 

Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

52:40.59

kitedart

I Would love to kind of bring it and and I know that this is an ongoing journey and so everything you've just shared I think it sounds like so much of that is still present. Um, but I would love to have a short coaching conversation with you. So. You share with us and sort of set the stage for something that you're grapping with currently and we'll see if we can get a little nugget of New knowing for yourself.

53:07.40

Sarah 

Um, yes, let's see you know I I suppose like I'm holding so lately I've I feel like I've been able to really just.

53:23.58

Sarah 

Have some different situations where I am being more assertive you know I our or I'm I'm being more clear and and um in and my boundaries and and what I'm like able to provide and what I'm not able to provide right? So just I would say really just within this space of like. Bringing myself fully more forward right? And and um and you know at least in the most recent past um I've been receiving some some noes right? or some like you know, like not being then meeting that alignment right? um. So um, I'm just I've been sitting with like trust that that I get to still be myself and trusts like trusts that for others have their nose and trust that I still will be finding my yeses right? might my aligned yeses right? So So that's sort of been.

54:17.74

kitedart

Yeah, and.

54:22.39

Sarah 

Present for me. Um, and and at the same time I think I still like some of my my tendencies or or fears can pop up of like oh am I You know am I saying you know should I not be doing this should I should I.

54:38.80

kitedart

My.

54:41.94

Sarah 

Lean into Maybe what what has had been like appeasement right or other patterns right? So that I can maybe yeah have a different had the result that I'm looking for which is you know.

54:45.32

kitedart

That.

54:58.49

Sarah 

Ah, maybe New Kyens or new new partnerships or you know take something yeah does that is that kind of a great a good area. Okay, that's it. Yeah.

55:03.66

kitedart

Yeah that's great. Love it. Yeah let's dig in I have I have 2 questions that have come up kind of as you're sharing that so one of them is you know this idea of like oh should I be not saying. That should I not be setting. Those boundaries should I be more appeasing. Um, if you were to take the fact that maybe um, you didn't let me how do I say this like let's say if you were to take money out of the equation. Let's put it that way. Um, if you were to. Take money out of the equation the ways that you've stood in your truth and and communicated those boundaries and and you know communicated more of who you really are um if you take the money part of. The know out how did it feel to do that.

56:06.34

Sarah 

Um, yeah, and if I take the money out as well as that like trying to tell you know trying to like predict the future.

56:15.98

kitedart

Right? right? right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.

56:20.12

Sarah 

Like whatever that like you know, however, like that that that whole thing is um, it felt good. It felt it felt good. It felt you know like I'm thinking of 1 example and it's like I just felt I felt.

56:27.86

kitedart

Um, yeah, yeah.

56:38.45

Sarah 

Kind I felt clear I felt powerful. Um and and I can really sit and hold like an honor like that other person's experience and I you know and just be fortunate for um.

56:40.46

kitedart

Oh.

56:56.37

Sarah 

That I got to show up. You know, like sort of kind of bringing again, bringing myself forward. You know fully? yeah.

57:01.35

kitedart

Yeah, and anybody who may be watching this on Youtube can see your face but the people listening like you lit up use. You're smiling and like it just right like and I love that.

57:09.95

Sarah 

Are are.

57:20.53

kitedart

And so so the first thing I'd I'd really offer for you to hold onto is that? Um, yes, you have a business because you want to in and that you want to make money in this business and you want to make a difference for people and. You want to make sure that this business can last into the future right? So there's There's this quote unquote success part of it that the the traditional metrics of success if you will right? and that that the feeling you have of like I. Stood in my truth. You said you felt powerful like I'm like yes like Bravo good for you and I think that one is that that's more I'm not going to say that that's more important than the money in the business staying you know, sticking around because. That would be a lot of privilege right? like yeah we got to pay the bills right? We all do and um, so so I'm I'm not going to say that um that that's all that matters. But I'm going to say that I think that that matters a lot and and a lot for where this can go for you. Um, which kind of leads me to the next question is I'm curious when you think about the people who you've maybe had to say no or delineate a boundary or speak up in an assertive way stick up for yourself So to speak.

58:52.70

kitedart

I'd love to invite you to think about what what was it that was said or done that even brought those people into your funnel and how much were you standing in your truth in that process with those specific people.

59:01.81

Sarah 

Mean.

59:11.30

kitedart

That question make sense that was very wordy.

59:15.90

Sarah 

Um, yeah, so in some of these situations that I am you know bringing in you know from the recent you know past um in the state. The the sales funnel process. How much was I Also like in my in my integrity speak you know in my and my truth and all of that.

59:26.72

kitedart

Yeah.

59:33.10

Sarah 

Um, yeah I mean I I would say it's mixed I mean in some cases you know it's It's a matter of like you know who am I talking to like in the process right? and and then it might be different people that that I might interact with and in.

59:48.58

kitedart

And.

59:50.39

Sarah 

And some of those they amous in some of those relationships. Yeah, there is that synergy there is that um you know you know yeah and then in then another situation I'm thinking about um it was less so you know and and that was a third party you know? ah. Coaching company that I that I sometimes you know't take you know and clients through and and get some work through and so that it's much less connected right? because I'm not part of that you know sort of onboarding process so you did so. Yeah, but that's a good question.

01:00:26.46

kitedart

Yeah, ah so yeah, so I'd invite you to think about right? The more that you can and I'm not saying that it's just easy to do right for for someone who maybe because of particular identities.

01:00:38.71

Sarah 

1

01:00:43.97

kitedart

And particular experiences you've been told to be the Chameleon. You've been told to appease or to code switch for the moment or whatever that was me right? like. It can be really hard to stand really firm in that strict truth it can be really scary and I'd invite you to think about that if you can stand in that in your truth and be like the more vocal you are. The more you stand in your truth and the less you appease the more the right people will come and those other folks who aren't aligned will self select right on out and that.

01:01:24.44

Sarah 

Are.

01:01:28.96

kitedart

In those cases where there is synergy with someone but then maybe it gets passed along to someone else in the organization that that's not about you. That's about that right? and that this person in the organization may be very well aligned and they may be they may. Like have their fingers on the pulse way better of what's going on. But if the person the decision maker right? isn't there right? That's that's one of those situations where the organization is going to struggle right? and we know that and we've seen that right like over and over that happen. So. Um, those are a couple offerings and I guess I'd I'd ask for like what are you? What are you getting yourself.

01:02:10.78

Sarah 

Um, yeah I I am glad that you spoke to just that idea of like you know, Um, ultimately because ultimately I do want to find folks that that that there is that alignment right? I mean I.

01:02:27.84

Sarah 

So And what I heard in your share was again just that trust in that process and that that's what's possible and um, and so yeah I think um, what I'm taking is just continuing to remind myself with that and and to know that this is a good sort of. You know like this is this is a helpful. Um, you know thing to be practicing right is is continuing to just express myself more right? Um, and yeah and and that it's important right? Um I think that's what I'm what I'm getting is is. Um, because that is how I want to work with folks sorry and that that is those are the relationships that that that work the best that that that that you know I feel like um, let's top you know core to my values to you know is um that I can really be able to be myself and that others can be themselves and pray and. And um, neither get diminished right? Neither are diminished right? that that said that um it it's so yeah, so I'm I'm taking that this again is another sort of you know I use the word practice a lot but this is something to keep practicing you know and and keep trusting.

01:03:27.66

kitedart

Yeah.

01:03:44.21

kitedart

Yeah, yeah, and I I think that um I think that's so too true and as you were talking. It had me thinking about this is something that Nate used to say right? So I came to kite and dart as a client for my other business and um.

01:03:44.97

Sarah 

Tomorrow.

01:04:01.30

kitedart

1 thing that Nate would always say to me because I'd be kind of looking at when someone says no trying to figure out what happened and usually it was like what did I do wrong right? And that's what we've been conditioned for right when something doesn't go well, it doesn't go right? It's our fault we have to change ourselves right? and that.

01:04:04.85

Sarah 

Are.

01:04:15.88

Sarah 

Um, won't.

01:04:20.38

kitedart

He was always saying to me Karen you can't get much information from a no because you have no idea why they said no and usually the reason I mean I'd say ninety I mean always the reason it has to do with them. It sits over there there with them. Not with you and it can be alignment right? Which if if the alignment's not there like we want to speak up so that if the alignment's not there. It's a no because it's not going to We're not going to be able to be the make the biggest difference for them and it's not going to feel good for us and it's just it's just not the best it's not ideal right? It's not ideal and it's often. Not workable. Um, and even if the alignment is there. There know has to do with them. It doesn't have to do with you and that can be really hard to to hold onto. The example that I always give is kind of a silly one. But so I have 4 brothers right? and they've they've all been in different marriages with with women and I love my sisters in law. They're all fabulous people and I think not all of them but quite a few of them um by coach purses okay no shade no judgment of them and I don't buy coach purses right? I don't value something I throw my wallet and keys in and and then throw on the floor I don't.

01:05:57.75

kitedart

I don't value that enough to pay hundreds of dollars for a purse but they do right and and it has no reflection whatsoever on the coach purse as a purse but it just has to do with the values and I could care less. And I'm not judging them for spending hundreds of dollars on a purse you get on with your bad self I'm going to go spend hundreds of dollars on a really nice dinner or on some fun experience with my family going to a concert traveling right? like so it's just like. We make our decisions with what we buy based on what we value and it doesn't mean you don't have value it just means that there may be something for them that you know they're not valuing it enough. And and those aren't the right people for you to work with and then the other part of it can just be that they're not. They're not there yet. They're not ready yet. They're not. You know what? I mean even if they do value it. They may have too much fear or resistance or whatever it is right? shame. Um, especially with the work you do right? Shame can be a huge thing in holding people back from wanting to take on what you're asking them to take on right? So um, that like I I always have to remind myself of that as well and and that that the value. The.

01:07:26.93

kitedart

The information doesn't exist in the no but you can get more information from the yeses So looking at where those yeses come from and were you standing more true in who you are and what you care about and what you believe and looking for that as that evidence to help you Trust. In continuing to do that So that was just another add on I don't know.

01:07:49.13

Sarah 

Um, yeah now now it's great and and I I it's it's a message to keep like hearing you know and receiving I feel like over and over and and and again to keep trusting and all of that right? and and then like you know and and.

01:07:56.68

kitedart

Yeah I would.

01:08:06.75

Sarah 

You know as you were sharing I was just thinking about yeah like trusting and honoring. You know someone's no wherever they're at and then you know my my next sort of like part of that is like ok like and how do I continue to connect with folks who are yes, they are who who wont you know who who will be you know the yeses and so that will have to.

01:08:25.20

kitedart

Um, and ah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:08:26.16

Sarah 

You know, come back to it or it'll be on another another podcast that you do with someone else right? but but that you know, kind of just that that that's the other part to it right? and um, and and yeah you know you know I know right? We'll be wrapping up so I was just thinking you know as you know as you were sharing all of that I'm like.

01:08:40.65

kitedart

There's a fight.

01:08:44.54

Sarah 

Just noticing like in my body just how easy it is to kind of get pulled right? like into like pulled into those ways of like you know, potentially winning. You know these patterns are and diminishing myself or not being as much myself right? because of again will I then receive that no or that yes that I want right because of however.

01:08:49.30

kitedart

Nah.

01:09:03.69

Sarah 

You know I am versus you know, like continuing to practice again, bringing myself forward and and knowing that when I do that right? it it allows me to connect with folks. You know again where we share those values right. So so as we're ending I just wanted to to tell you on 1 quick little you know night and I suppose everybody who's going to end up watching or listening but I was walking earlier. You know right before this you know, just getting ready and part of my you know part of the things I feel like over the year is going slower has really supported me too is just.

01:09:27.28

kitedart

Um, yeah.

01:09:38.63

Sarah 

But to notice things more right that I wasn't noticing before and so I you know and sort of is even connecting more with you know, like my own intuition or sense of self right? and so I chose to walk a particular direction and I'm so glad I did because I I.

01:09:38.71

kitedart

That clever.

01:09:57.39

Sarah 

I Found all of these beautiful feathers and I don't know if you can see them but they're just like they're just these incredible flat feathers very and I just really appreciate birds and just appreciate. You know.

01:10:02.21

kitedart

Ah.

01:10:04.82

kitedart

Yes.

01:10:14.60

Sarah 

You know I know for those mean a lot you know to different communities as well And so I just wanted to to name that because I just was so excited to kind of just find you know something that just felt like such a gift you know for me before kind of coming onto this call you know and um and sort of trusting myself to like.

01:10:32.79

kitedart

Not any none.

01:10:33.91

Sarah 

Choose that path and then it's like oh and then I found something and you know that was fairly beautiful and so I just wanted to name that and share that and you know because that's something that I get a lot of resource and joy out of is sort of you know, kind of.

01:10:39.80

kitedart

Yeah I love that. But yes.

01:10:50.66

kitedart

Yeah, well and it's so funny I love that you brought that in and I love that you connected it to intuition and intuition was on the long list of things that we could talk about like we literally could do like 3 of these podcast sessions because I feel like our conversations are always so rich. Um, but it's like it.

01:11:06.26

Sarah 

Um, yeah.

01:11:07.69

kitedart

It does really tie back to that and trusting ourselves and trusting our intuition and you know which way do we go right? or left up or down like whatever northwest I don't know you know doesn't have to be I hit so over the binary right? Um, but but that trusting.

01:11:15.79

Sarah 

1 4

01:11:27.44

kitedart

That intuition and how how well that guides us I I think that's a beautiful thought to end on although I'm going to ask you to end on something slightly different. You know so I'm in this I'm Goingnna spring this on you.

01:11:33.10

Sarah 

Um, more.

01:11:41.62

Sarah 

Um, what do you.

01:11:45.89

kitedart

Um, you know at kite and dart. We talk about entrepreneurial Activism So can you just give us a real quick answer to what does entrepreneurial activism mean to you.

01:11:48.41

Sarah 

Um.

01:11:55.78

Sarah 

Um, and.

01:12:01.73

Sarah 

That's a good question Karen um, yeah, yeah, you know I would say like what's coming up is.

01:12:02.67

kitedart

And if you don't want to answer it. It's fine but I always just like to ask people to think about that.

01:12:15.89

Sarah 

You know I think for me, it's like in the context of like you know this whole conversation and just like um you know my hope is is just for myself and for others is just us to like connect more deeply to what we really care about so connect to what you know like again in that spirit of like. Healing my healing the ruptures right to be able to to do some of the whatever that whatever that's like for each of us right? but but but to do that so that we're able to have the impact that we want and have impact that's responsible and and you know and um. And you know and um the more that we become aware of ourselves and others that we can actually you know do less harm you know and and and yeah so I think that's sort of what comes to mind and again to know repair right? You know because.

01:13:04.17

kitedart

Yeah I Love that. Yes.

01:13:12.10

Sarah 

Yeah I'm I'm gonna make mistakes for others that you know we're gonna make mistakes and how do we keep bringing that idea that we get to repair you know in because um is at least that helps me feel a little bit more free to to to get on here and to share you know.

01:13:28.97

kitedart

Yeah I love that I love that? Yeah, thank you for that. It's beautiful. Um, very last thing is just because.

01:13:30.76

Sarah 

So that all connects to yeah to Activism and and out for new. We all community. Yeah, and yeah.

01:13:43.60

kitedart

Be in the show notes. But just so everybody can access it can you please share how folks can connect with you if they want to learn more.

01:13:54.20

Sarah 

Sure so my website so that's a great place. So um, ww ww w that Sarah Remel Dot Com and I'm on Linkedin and yeah, you can reach out to me. We can connect you know and and chat I can. You know, share more about my services and and we can just yeah connect and just you know get to know each other. Yeah and I'm also on Instagram and so I have an Instagram um Slow Integration coach is is on Instagram Instagram.

01:14:18.57

kitedart

Great.

01:14:28.42

kitedart

Great. Well I highly encourage folks to connect with you. Sarah thank you so much for being here and and being so thoughtful and embodied in the conversation today.

01:14:28.78

Sarah 

So those are a few ways. Yeah.

01:14:34.62

Sarah 

Yeah.

01:14:40.96

Sarah 

Thank you Karen it's been really fun. And yeah I agree we could just talk a lot a lot longer. So I got a complete. Yeah yeah, thank you? Yeah, it's been real. Yeah, really fun and great so to chat with you. So.

01:14:49.55

kitedart

Ah, maybe love to do a part 2 at some point. But.